Cipher 9 and the Great Champion of the Hunt vs. Agen Kolar and Saesse Tiin

The Heroes of the Sith Empire take on two of the greatest blademasters the order has ever produced. How do they fare?

1. Force excellent
2. Sabers biscuits (and weapons)
3. All out.

Cipher 9 completes dominates in the Force. That dude has some bonkers feats.

Champion solos for sabers.

TBH in an all out cipher and champ have a great chance of winning.

I agree. Kolar and Tiin have never struck me as impressive for Council members. I'd say the Champion could take either of them.

To be honest though Cipher 9 is the weakest of the TOR classes from a lore perspective (unless we count his feat of beating up Darth Jadus in which case WOAH) and hasn't really done more than fight through small armies and beat Jedi and highly advanced droids. He will still be highly irritating to fight with stealth and shields 'capable of deflecting lightsabers and vehicle-mounted heavy weapons with ease" on top of an array of grenades, toxins and high-powered rifles/snipers..... but I don't see him taking down either of the Jedi by himself. I do however think he can he irritating and hard to fight enough to let the Champion kill one of the Jedi and then doubleteam the other.

Also we can count the champion's killing of tormen, who is more powerful than either of these jedi. I think the cipher can kill one of the masters, if the champion manages to keep both at bay (which he is probably capable of).

I generally do count it since I believe its the canon policy to assume Lightside for games unless actually stated (like in the case of Nox where SWTORE says she 'embraced the dark side'. In fact I believe the Inquisitor is the only SW character to be DS by canon).

The Champion's flamethrower can fill 'entire rooms' in 'a single flame burst' and take down even Jedi and Sith according to SWTORE and they carry 'dozens' of highly compact but powerful missiles that possess 'unmatched stopping power.'

The only thing, say, Kolar has going for him is swordsmanship, and the Champion has killed some incredibly skilled swordmasters.

If they get their extra PIS powers, team 1 stomps.

Logically team 2 just floors them with the Force, though.

Sure, like everyone does to Grievous.

Kolar and Tiin aren't good enough to pwn them with the Force like that.

These guys aren't huge cyborgs made of heavy durasteel plate. They're just people, and considering Ki-Adi Mundi could lift large skiffs and Saesee himself has sent battledroids flying several kilometers (in exaggerated material, that is).

The Great Champion wears heavy durasteel plate though. :V

Is he as fast as Grievous?

Seemingly not, however despite this, the champion has defeated 3 vastly impressive saber duelists/force wielders anyways, these being Kellian Jarro (solo'ed over 100 mandalorians), Jun Seros (battlemaster of the order), and Darth Tormen (dark council member).

Tiin threw a battle droid kilometers, and Kolar's swordsmanship is stated multiple times to be significant.

As Newguy said, he threw that droid while in a Clone Wars comic, which is known to be an exaggeration.

Jun Seros' swordsmanship was also noted to be significant. He lost.

Everything but the movies are exaggerated. Saying otherwise is a double-standard.

Not they aren't.

Originally posted by Stigma
True, but so is TFU, DE, TOR & KOTOR, Legacy era....
It is indeed exaggerated in comparison to the movies, but to the EU… not so much.
(BTW. This is not directed to you DP, but rather my 5 cents I just wanted to throw in)

Sometimes I’m a bit irritated about the whole "exaggerated thingy" with CW mini, while TFU straight-up sh1ts on the movies in this regard, as do other series mentioned above.

That's why I would stick to the line of argument proposed long ago on these boards: different medium, different portrayals of the Force.

Do not discard CW mini simply because it's exaggerated. So is vast majority of EU, and we let it stand.

I get that this is especially hot debate for Windu soloing an army in CW mini, but not doing so on Geneosis. Well, my answer is that we see Vader performing some absolutely amazing Force feats in TFU or moving an incredible high speed in the novels, but then moving like an old man in OT.

We have to apply the same standard here. It can be that either movies go or EU goes, or that we embrace both.

I say embrace both.

But recognize that TFU and the CW mini are exaggerated in terms of power levels and feats.

Other aspects of the EU are not.

Personally, it's not the exaggerations themselves I ignore, it's the inconsistencies.

I'm not ignoring Yoda smashing huge aircrafts because he's supposed to be the most powerful Jedi of that time, is about even with Sidious, but I ignore Mace humiliating droid armies because it's inconsistent with his average showings, not because it's exxagerated.