Originally posted by ares834
Nah. It doesn't. "Over the top" just means far more than usual.
over the top
phrase of top
1.
Brit.informal
to an excessive or exaggerated degree.
"her reactions had been a bit over the top"
synonyms: excessive, immoderate, inordinate, extreme, over the limit, exaggerated, extravagant, overblown, overripe, too much, unreasonable, needless, disproportionate, undue, unwarranted, uncalled for, unnecessary, going too far; More
informala bit much, OTT
"her reaction had been a bit over the top"
antonyms: moderate, restrained
over–the–top
adjective
: going beyond what is expected, usual, normal, or appropriate : excessive or exaggerated
Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm such a fanboy.
Pretty much this. Sidious and Yoda are the most powerful force users up to that point or at the very least you must admit close to it. The feats in TCWs are consistent with other EU feats. Your sides arguments that TCWs and other sources are more exaggerated than say TOR and novels are based on the asinine insistence that video games like TOR are comparable mediums to movies. Which is downright stupid.
Imma bored and looking through threads to see if I failed to reply to anyone.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Pretty much this. Sidious and Yoda are the most powerful force users up to that point or at the very least you must admit close to it.
Yes, I agree.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
The feats in TCWs are consistent with other EU feats.
No. No they are not. If it was just Yoda's feats in TCW that we were talking about I'd be inclined to yes give him the benefit of the doubt and wouldn't second guess his feats, even if they are way above anything he's shown outside of that material. But we're not just talking about Yoda and we can't just say 'well everything else is exaggerated, but Yoda isn't.' Because that isn't how it works. Either everything is exaggerated, or nothing is. And unfortunately, everything in TCW is exaggerated.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Your sides arguments that TCWs and other sources are more exaggerated than say TOR and novels are based on the asinine insistence that video games like TOR are comparable mediums to movies. Which is downright stupid.
Show me a source saying that TOR or the novels are exaggerated. TCW is more exaggerated it because IT CANONICALLY IS. TOR is not. YOU think it is. YOU have absolutely no authority in the matter. YOU thinking that you can decide what is and is not exaggerated material is what is stupid. And completely and utterly baseless.
I am not a fanboy for refusing to accept your made-up fanon arguments. You think these texts are exaggerated? Prove it or lay off. Show even a shred of evidence.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Imma bored and looking through threads to see if I failed to reply to anyone.Yes, I agree.
No. No they are not. If it was just Yoda's feats in TCW that we were talking about I'd be inclined to yes give him the benefit of the doubt and wouldn't second guess his feats, even if they are way above anything he's shown outside of that material. But we're not just talking about Yoda and we can't just say 'well everything else is exaggerated, but Yoda isn't.' Because that isn't how it works. Either everything is exaggerated, or nothing is. And unfortunately, everything in TCW is exaggerated.
Show me a source saying that TOR or the novels are exaggerated. TCW is more exaggerated it because IT CANONICALLY IS. TOR is not. YOU think it is. YOU have absolutely no authority in the matter. YOU thinking that you can decide what is and is not exaggerated material is what is stupid. And completely and utterly baseless.
I am not a fanboy for refusing to accept your made-up fanon arguments. You think these texts are exaggerated? Prove it or lay off. Show even a shred of evidence.
Not the way canon works. There's C-Canon, T-Canon, and G-canon. There's no such thing as Exaggerated canon. Either the feats are canon or they aren't. The Battle of Muunlist still happened, as do all the other feats in the cartoon. That's why its referenced in the ROTS commentary as the canon version of the events before the movie, that's why its referenced in source material. Also, Lucas has stated that EU people envision the force in a way that he does not. All of the EU is exaggerated. You don't need a statement to justify that.
When you have Sidious in the movie's best feat is ripping up pods, but then using fleet eating vortexes in the EU its clear that its exaggerated. When we have Vader clearly impaired by his suit in ROTJ where he's at the peak of power, but moving faster than the eye can see in other sources its clearly exaggerated.
When you have Darth Nihilus ripping fleets from worlds in one source, but similarly powered individuals struggling with X-Wing fighters, its obvious the EU is exaggerated.
In the cartoons and comics. Duh. 😬
I don't see why you're questioning this, you agree that things like Starkiller and Windu's crazy as shit feats are not realistic depictions of their level of power.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Not the way canon works. There's C-Canon, T-Canon, and G-canon. There's no such thing as Exaggerated canon. Either the feats are canon or they aren't. The Battle of Muunlist still happened, as do all the other feats in the cartoon. That's why its referenced in the ROTS commentary as the canon version of the events before the movie, that's why its referenced in source material. Also, Lucas has stated that EU people envision the force in a way that he does not. All of the EU is exaggerated. You don't need a statement to justify that.
When you have Sidious in the movie's best feat is ripping up pods, but then using fleet eating vortexes in the EU its clear that its exaggerated. When we have Vader clearly impaired by his suit in ROTJ where he's at the peak of power, but moving faster than the eye can see in other sources its clearly exaggerated.
I'm still not seeing an ounce of evidence here.
Uh, I think you'll find there is:
"The analogy is that every piece of published Star Wars fiction is a window into the 'real' Star Wars universe. Some windows are a bit foggier than others. Some are decidedly abstract. But each contains a nugget of truth to them. Like the great Jedi Master Obi-Wan Kenobi said, 'many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our point of view.'"
In this case TFU and TCW have been stated as being exaggerated So while yes, the events in those sources did happen, the depictions of them are hyperbolic in nature. Meanwhile I don't believe the rest of the EU has been given that description and so it does not apply until it is applied.
The speed thing has been clarified and is a non-issue. Sidious hocking pods at Yoda is like Vader or Sadow throwing objects at their opponents to gain an edge. It isn't indicative of their full abilities.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
When you have Darth Nihilus ripping fleets from worlds in one source, but similarly powered individuals struggling with X-Wing fighters, its obvious the EU is exaggerated.
Well unfortunately it being 'obvious' isn't very good evidence or indicative of canon.
The fact is that I don't have to prove TOR, Kotor II and other materials are not exaggerated. They are not exaggerated by default.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
I'm not sure why he's supposed to satisfy his burden when you haven't satisfied yours.
I've done a hell of a lot more than any of you have. 😬
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Since you want to narrow the field according to your own biases,
It isn't my own biases. Quite the opposite, I'm leaving my personal feelings out of this. TFU and TCW are the only sources with evidence of hyperbole or exaggeration, so those are the only ones I'm applying this to. Other sources do not, so I don't see why other people would even attempt to argue they are really, since all they have to go on to argue they are is personal opinion.
I've given plenty of evidence in previous replies.
I'm certain you know they are already though. It would be rather pointless for me to waste time searching for the quotes etc considering that. The difference is that I know you don't have any evidence that the rest of the EU is exaggerated, so I'm only asking to force you to admit you don't have it.