Cipher 9 and the Great Champion of the Hunt vs. Agen Kolar and Saesse Tiin

Started by Stigma5 pages

Even Nihilus's drain, Sidious's force storm, or Luke manipulating f*cking black hole? Give me a break.

As of RotS Sidious is considered to be the most powerful Sith Lord and all he does is TK'ing senate pods and making stupid faces, while in EU random Jedi can topple buildings (the one fighting Malgus) or tackle huge debris.

In comparison to the movies or even CW series these feats are retarded in their awesomeness. 🙂

Yes. They are not exaggerations, merely highly powerful examples of Force use. All of those people are at the top of the hierarchy in terms of power.

Its as Intrepid says, there is no inconsistency because those people are the best, so crazy force powers are to be expected.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes. They are not exaggerations, merely highly powerful examples of Force use. All of those people are at the top of the hierarchy in terms of power.

Its as Intrepid says, there is no inconsistency because those people are the best, so crazy force powers are to be expected.


That said, there is no inconsistency with Tiin showing ''highly powerful examples of Force use'' as you put it.

Hmmm, no I'm going to say there is.

Prove it.

No, you prove its not inconsistent. What has Tiin done outside of the CW mini to make you think he could toss a droid four kilometers?

I'm unaware of where Tiin appears outside the CW mini.

Regardless, you're asking me to prove a negative: that Tiin hasn't been portrayed in other sources proves it's not an inconsistency.

Haha, then I say its inconsistent cuz he's done nothing outside of it to suggest he can throw a droid that far.

I win.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes. They are not exaggerations, merely highly powerful examples of Force use. All of those people are at the top of the hierarchy in terms of power.

Its as Intrepid says, there is no inconsistency because those people are the best, so crazy force powers are to be expected.


I can agree with the first part of your response, though I believe it depends what definition of 'exaggerated" we are about to follow.
For me, when force can tore the fabric of the universe itself, it ceases to be subtle and goes into the "overpowered/exaggerated zone"

On the other hand, I still don’t see how can you reconcile a random Jedi toppling buildings with Sidious's best force feat from G-canon.

Thus, Kolar or Tiin displaying quite good force feats in the comics is not a big deal and should not be followed by “OMG it’s exaggerated lulz”

Originally posted by Nephthys
Haha, then I say its inconsistent cuz he's done nothing outside of it to suggest he can throw a droid that far.

I win.


You don't get it. 😐

He needen't do anything else... because he just did it.

If he had five other feats where he struggles immensly to do something far inferior, yes, it'd be an inconsistency.

By asking me to prove it's not an inconsistency, you're naturally suggesting that he can't do said inconsistency under other circumstances. It's up to you to prove the burden, not me, and since Tiin has no other appearences, he's done nothing suggesting the feat to be inconsistent.

Your burden is impossible to prove.

I win.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I say embrace both.

But recognize that TFU and the CW mini are exaggerated in terms of power levels and feats.

Other aspects of the EU are not.

You are so full of shit. Yoda who was the most powerful Jedi of all times up to that point smashes 300m vessels together with ease isn't comparable to mooks like Nihilus lifting fleets, and Vitiate draining planets? The fact that you can't see that they are both exaggerated just shows your ridiculous bias.

I agree with Yoda here.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
You don't get it. 😐

He needen't do anything else... because he just did it.

No. You see, thats where you don't get it. Yes, he did it.

In exaggerated material.

Thats why we are discussing whether it should be counted and not seen as an exaggeration at all. Because every other character in the cartoon and related material performs way above what they do in other materials (oh yeah son, that includes Yoda. Come at me bro), why should his feats not be equally as suspect as theirs?

His feats are inconsistent because the entire cartoon is inconsistent.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
You are so full of shit.

Always a good opening line.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Yoda who was the most powerful Jedi of all times up to that point

That quote isn't binding.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
smashes 300m vessels together with ease isn't comparable to mooks like Nihilus lifting fleets, and Vitiate draining planets?

I assume you mean comparable in the sense that they're not comparably exaggerated? Because they're kind of comparable in the other sense.

These are complete bollocks examples though. Nihilus is a complete anolomy, he's that powerful because he's exponentially expanded his power through the consumption of other Force users. How is it an exaggeration that a guy uses a method to vastly increase his power to the extent where it is explicitly said in the game that he's WAAY outside the norm in terms of power and then..... he's really powerful! GASP! So inconceivable! So illogical! And Vitiate did that with the help of EIGHT THOUSAND other Sith Lords. Bwut yeah, its weally stwoopid.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
The fact that you can't see that they are both exaggerated just shows your ridiculous bias.

No, its shows that I'm not wiling to discount feats on personal ****ing opinion. You think they are exaggerated? Good for you. Canonically, they are not. That is as far as it registers for me. You guy can act as if they should be treated as exaggerations if you want, but that attitude has no basis in fact or canon and is completely your made up opinion.

But I'm so sorry for not buying what you're selling. I'm such a fanboy.

lmao

It really does shatter credulity that a guy who is really powerful would do a really powerful thing. Or that 8000 Sith Lords working together could drain a planet. Thats just dumb man.

Clearly they're both just exaggerated.

Yeah, I mean, there's NO CHANCE Tiin is able to throw a battledroid couples of kilometers, right?

Originally posted by Nephthys
I say embrace both.

But recognize that TFU and the CW mini are exaggerated in terms of power levels and feats.

Other aspects of the EU are not.

A ridiculous double standard.

Ares and Yoda called it.

Originally posted by ares834
A ridiculous double standard.

Why? Both of them have been said to be exaggerated and even by the standards of the EU they are retardedly powerful.

Other materials have not been said to be exaggerated in that manner. Arguing that they are has no basis.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Yeah, I mean, there's NO CHANCE Tiin is able to throw a battledroid couples of kilometers, right?

Of course there is and I could always be wrong. But theres no feat suggesting it outside of exaggerated material.

Where have they said to be exaggerated?