Cipher 9 and the Great Champion of the Hunt vs. Agen Kolar and Saesse Tiin

Originally posted by Nephthys
Why? Both of them have been said to be exaggerated and even by the standards of the EU they are retardedly powerful.

Other materials have not been said to be exaggerated in that manner. Arguing that they are has no basis.

I'm still waiting for some one to provide the quote that both are exaggerated. And, when compared to the movies, of course they are exaggerated, but then so is the entire EU. In the movies lifting an X-Wing is a great feat, in the EU every Dick and Jane can do it.

And it does have basis in the "foggy window" quote. Ironically, since TFU and CW has Lucas involved they are both "more canon" than the rest of the EU.

Hayden Blackman has talked about the concept of the Force Unleashed and clarified that they're exaggerating powerlevels in the material. That was the entire point of TFU.

The clone wars cartoon is canon but the makers have stated that the action is deliberately exaggerated, only the events that happened within them are canon. Filoni has also said it was exaggerated:

The 2003 series was very exaggerated, not just in design but in its storytelling and action.

Originally posted by ares834
And it does have basis in the "foggy window" quote. Ironically, since TFU and CW has Lucas involved they are both "more canon" than the rest of the EU.

No not really. The "foggy window" quote has the potential to apply but theres nothing indicating it does.

Have the Blackman quote?

Anyway, both are still a more accurate portrayal of events than TOR or the majority of the EU.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Hayden Blackman has talked about the concept of the Force Unleashed and clarified that they're exaggerating powerlevels in the material. That was the entire point of TFU.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The clone wars cartoon is canon

Originally posted by Nephthys
No not really. The "foggy window" quote has the potential to apply but theres nothing indicating it does.

Yes, there is.

"The further one branches away from the movies, the more interpretation and speculation come into play."

And TOR is pretty far from the movies. By contrast, TFU and CW involve movie characters, are set in the movies time frame, and had Lucas involved. In other words, less "interpretation and speculation come into play."

Originally posted by ares834
Yes, there is.

"The further one branches away from the movies, the more interpretation and speculation come into play."

And TOR is pretty far from the movies. By contrast, TFU and CW involve movie characters, are set in the movies time frame, and had Lucas involved. In other words, less "interpretation and speculation come into play."

Thats a retarded interpretation. 😆

Concession accepted.

TOR being farther removed from the movies in virtually every sense is, thus, a foggier window.

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Several mentions of the action being over the top and Blackman says at the beginning that TFU is akin to a superhero game. He also calls it a 'reinvisioning of the Force.' The guy at the end specifically says 'we want to take what people know from the movies and take it waaay out of control.'

Like, thats the whole concept of the Force 'unleashed'. 😬 Why do I even need to prove this?

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Oh gee, I wonder what the video called 'Force wrecking ball' could be about. :I

So no mention of it being exaggerated just unleashed.

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Glad that's cleared up.

Derp. It must be hard not being able to read or hear words.

Nope. All he is saying is that Starkiller is not showing any restraint and "Unleashing" the force and that the action is "over the top". Nothing about exaggerating it at all.

Originally posted by ares834
So no mention of it being exaggerated just unleashed.

👆

Glad that's cleared up.

Neph, the makers of the original CW cartoons said that's what the jedi are capable if they unleashed their full power. If the makers at some other time did mention that the feats were exaggerated, then they sure did contradict what they said in the commentary on the DVDs. The only one who said that the feats in the animation were exaggerated was Filoni, who holds no authority over material that he wasn't involved in. But supposedly Lucas agreed with Filoni, but I've never seen a direct quote from Lucas himself, but I assume Filoni wouldn't lie.

And for arguments sake, let's say one the makers of the original cartoons did say the feats were exaggerated, why would you accept that as fact, but not accept Karpshyn's statement regarding Vitiate?

Originally posted by ares834
Nope. All he is saying is that Starkiller is not showing any restraint and "Unleashing" the force and that the action is "over the top". Nothing about exaggerating it at all.

"We want to reinvision the Force. We want to reinvision Star Wars. We want to take what people know from the movies and take that waaay out of control.'

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
And for arguments sake, let's say one the makers of the original cartoons did say the feats were exaggerated, why would you accept that as fact, but not accept Karpshyn's statement regarding Vitiate?

Because Karpyshan specifically says what he's saying isn't canon? 😬

Originally posted by Nephthys
"We want to reinvision the Force. We want to reinvision Star Wars. We want to take what people know from the movies and take that waaay out of control.'

Yeah, they did. But that's still not them saying that the action is exaggerated or non-canon or whatever. Rather that is saying they just turned up the dial to 11 (or 100 as that one guy says) for this game.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Put me on ignore, please!

Woah, thats a bit extreme. I am being catty and grumpy but only because like 4 of you have been jumping down my throat and insulting me at once.

Hope you're not including me because I've not insulted you.

No, Sidious66, you were being very cordial. I just get defensive when 4 or 5 people all start arguing with me at once.

Originally posted by ares834
Yeah, they did. But that's still not them saying that the action is exaggerated or non-canon or whatever. Rather that is saying they just turned up the dial to 11 (or 100 as that one guy says) for this game.

Um, yes it is? 'Reinvisioning the Force' through letting the player do 'crazy, over-the-top things like crush ships and throw them against stormtroopers' equals exaggerating. Witwer even says that no Jedi in history has ever used the Force like Starkiller has. I mean I posted in the other thread an interview where Blackman talks about how he was asked what 'unleashing the Force' meant and he said 'like, pulling a star destroyer out of the sky.' The entire concept of the Force 'unleashed' is about exaggerating the ways the Force can be used and kicking ass with the Force. I'd likely already have an explicit quote for you if the link on Wookieeedia wasn't broken.

'Over the top' means exaggerated btw,