Actually this whole argument of whether MM was as powerful as he was in the past is moot. Even if we go off of DA's feats then MM was beyond Odin or any skyfather.
What is the better feat of power output? Vaporizing Mjolnir or merely destroying a planet? Size of influence doesn't always trump concentration.
It takes far more power to vaporize something than to just put a scratch on it or to put a crack in it.
MM vaporized Sentry with utmost ease (with a thought). This is beyond skyfather level. So it is moot whether DA MM was as powerful as evil MM.
Originally posted by Galan007
He didn't? These scans must be non-canon, then:
Yes, you just owned yourself. Good job. 👆
Around him=his general vicinity. This was made blatantly evident by the context of the story.
You might not want to hear this, but Sentry is not a multiversal+ power, and neither was Owen during DA.
So he was able to affect molecules from a distance AFTER he'd already manipulated them up close initially? What exactly do you think this proves? Even if Owen was portrayed as a global power during DA, that still doesn't make Sentry multiversal+ by proxy. Lol.
Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ 👆 Actually Galan, Ares was right there in Town with the rest of the Avengers,
because Owen had scattered them in the Town to deal with them individually.So, you're still correct.
Anyway, there's Ares at the end next page:
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DA Owen was mentally [b]unstable
, on top of the self imposed limitations.
Also, you have to understand that mentally stable is > mentally unstable.Insecure mentally unstable Owen doesn't affect planets, or a planet.
Now mentally stable Owen's power can be cosmic scale.facepalm ... wow, haven't been nudged to pop out that smilie in a while. [/B]
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Its no use though. I've said it to him at least five times with all these scans. He just ignores them next time.
so what limitations did MM put on himself...you people seem to be reaching with only a few obscure comments as your proof.
Because I know the last time he did this it was veryyy obvious the limitation he gave himself. The writers were very straight forward with how he was limiting himself.
Ok fine he didnt effect the Universe but that does not mean he was depowered. Just trying to see the proof other then some vague comments that can be interpreted in different ways
This is what I'm talking about blatantly low balling and people want to say their is a lack of panel proof that states Molecule Man de-power himself after his battle with Beyonder, which there is. You have more than one member stating this and showing the panel proof Mr Master, Galan7, Operator16, white witch knight, Igniz myself countless others have shown actual panel proof and statements.
DA Molecule Man powers only worked in local area that he was in, stated he couldn't handle a nuke. As where his normal level he was a universe buster and warp the reality on a universal scale. Than we have Evil Molecule Man that can warp trans multi-universal scale and this was his evil side that didn't give a phuck.
He was so phucked up he made clones of beings: Beyonder, Dormammu, Mephisto, Enchantress that represent his subconscious and they were talking to one another, for which they should do and one of ofhis subconscious stated "that you are not your real self" which meant his universal abilities in other words. DA Molecule Man wasn't even planetary level.
Sentry is not multiversal threat he is only a planetary threat which is still is high but that's it, compare to a normal level Molecule Man was universal to his evil side that was trans level multiversal.
People need to deal with the fact that Sentry battle with MM was over hyped and taken out of context dramatic.
As has already been mentioned: we know Owen's mental stability affects his powers greatly. During DA, he was at the most mentally unstable we've ever seen him-- the dude had become a full-blown schizo, for christ sake. That alone should suffice as more than enough proof that he was neutered, for anyone who knows anything about Owen's history.
I can agree that Owen was more powerful than a herald, but based on what we saw, DA Owen certainly wasn't on par with a high-end Skyfather. This wasn't the same Owen who, while mentally stable, could casually affect the entire multiverse(and beyond) with ease. If Owen was intended to have been that powerful during DA, the audience would have been made blatantly aware of such-- but we definitely were not. Quite the contrary, in fact.
Fact is: outside of a few select comics, Owen is rarely ever touted as a multiversal+ powerhouse because of the very reasons I just mentioned. His mental state affects his power across the board-- and more times than not, his mental state=unstable.
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Originally posted by bbrem123so what limitations did MM put on himself...
you people seem to be reaching with only a few obscure comments as your proof.
Originally posted by bbrem123Ok fine he didnt effect the Universe but that does not mean he was depowered.
While mentally stable Owen is re-creating billionS of Stars with a thought,
and repairing cross-multiversal damage with a finger
while conversing with Beyonder.
Then Evil MM, who can warp Space-Time, traverse universes with his power
can increase in stature to Cosmic proportions,
surviving comfortably & speed-blitzing in the vacuum of space,
re-arranging Reality within realities across the infinite Multiverse
and beyond into the Omniverse as a freakin side affect fighting Beyonder.
Oh, and he ultimately defeats Beyonder and is able to kill him if he desired.
When you take into consideration Beyonder's Un-retconned feats,
plus what he's done since,
well ... it easily places Evil MM somewhere amongst the gods of Marvel.
(3 versions of Owen Reece) = mentally Unstable - mentally stable - Evil MM
Originally posted by Galan007
As has already been mentioned: we know Owen's mental stability affects his powers greatly. During DA, he was at the most mentally unstable we've ever seen him-- the dude had become a full-blown schizo, for christ sake. That alone should suffice as more than enough proof that he was neutered, for anyone who knows anything about Owen's history.I can agree that Owen was more powerful than a herald, but based on what we saw, DA Owen certainly wasn't on par with a high-end Skyfather. This wasn't the same Owen who, while mentally stable, could casually affect the entire multiverse(and beyond) with ease. If Owen was intended to have been that powerful during DA, the audience would have been made blatantly aware of such-- but we definitely were not. Quite the contrary, in fact.
Fact is: outside of a few select comics, Owen is rarely ever touted as a multiversal+ powerhouse because of the very reasons I just mentioned. His mental state affects his power across the board.
I agree he is not at odins level. Never said he was. Was just point out they did not portray his depowering( if there was one ) as they did the previous time. Bendis was very vague with how powerful MM really was. But no selling a HH like he did is no joke and that should be recognized.
Void is no pushover and I just dont see how some dont see that. Thinking sentry is HH level is a joke. Some here make every excuse to discredit Sentry's feat which is kinda ridiculous if you ask me.
We also see how senty/void treated earths heroes in the "what if" as well. I know they are not canon but Uatu was there and confirms everything that is happening. So it should be considered when talking about his Sentry's power
I, for one, never used this thread as an opportunity to discredit Sentry-- he is very powerful. Just saying that beating Owen doesn't automatically fling Sentry into the abstract+ class, given that he[Owen] was undeniably at the most mentally unstable we have ever seen him, which means his powers were undeniably neutered to a vast degree by proxy.
His feats in DA were trans-level, at best.
^^ Owen didn't vaporize Sentry with an energy blast,
something a Thanos, or Odin would commonly use to crack Sentry.
Owen used his power (unstable or not) at close range to disperse Sentry's molecules,
and then he put them back together twice.
Regardless that Sentry's made of unique molecules,
he's still made of molecules nonetheless,
and that falls right into Owen's power. (unstable or not)
