Darth Krayt vs Darth Malgus

Originally posted by Nephthys
It amuses me whenever someone makes a small post on the topic and comes off as much more reasonable, logical and convincing than Legend does in his huge rants.

I'm gonna take this is a compliment, then.
I think that whoever can do this:

Me
During the "False Emperor" FlashP, Malgus simultaneously chokes 3 of the 4 who challenged him.
You fight individually against him while the other players are being choked. The 4 players have to get through that stage, meaning Malgus choked Nox and the Wrath and say, Champion, while fighting Cipher... Which is so impressive it's ridiculous. There's also him TKing the 4 of them across the room all at the same time,

...against individuals of that caliber, could give almost anyone a good fight. Krayt definitely included.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
But none of them are organic, right?

Cortosis is an ore, and it has limited utility since it eventually fails. Beskar or Mandalorian iron is a metal of extremely rare composition. And then there's Phrik which is just as retarded, since apparently phrik objects have survived planetary explosions (re: Alderaan) and that's the least realistic thing in the mythos at this point. I equally hate that.

There's also ultrachrome, which is impervious to lightsabres due to being a superconducting alloy. A lightsabre can't cut/pierce it as the blade's energy is instantly conducted away.

Originally posted by Nepthys
Its impervious to lightsabers iirc.

I admit I'm not sure but I seem to recall vonduun crab armour is "resistant" to lightsabres rather than impervious. A lightsabre can cut it, just with difficulty.

Yea. It's not immune-immune, just quite resistant.

Oh yes, and there is another lightsaber immune organic armor around- Orbalisks.

Just read Legacy. Malgus wins. His TK feats are vastly superior and has the edge in physical stats as well.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Just read Legacy. Malgus wins. His TK feats are vastly superior and has the edge in physical stats as well.

Vastly superior to what? I don't think I've seen one from Malgus that's as big as what Cade pulls off.

And by what do you judge he has the edge in physical stats? Krayt beat everyone he faced, and many of those he faced in turn had plenty of impressive fighting feats. Krayt has excellent speed feats (his knight blitzing feat is better than any blitzing Malgus has done), and excellent physical power too.

Krayt's best TK feat that I recall (I might be wrong; 56 issues is a lot and I'm tired so I might not remember everything) was redirecting rubble that Wyyrlok threw at him..

When Krayt blitzed the Knights in the first issue, normal officers was capable of following his movements IIRC, which means he wasn't even fighting imperceptibly fast.

For strength, don't even remember anything that Krayt did. Although he had a nice durability feat where he tanked an explosion when he fought Muur (or something).

also, the way Krayt killed Wyyrlok was really dumb. Wyyrlok had his lightsaber raised then Krayt just Jar Kai stabs him through the neck? Wtf?

You uh, didn't answer Q99 directly. What did you find out about Malgus in Legacy that made up your mind?

Malgus isn't in the Legacy era bro.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Krayt's best TK feat that I recall (I might be wrong; 56 issues is a lot and I'm tired so I might not remember everything) was redirecting rubble that Wyyrlok threw at him..

He also had the edge against Cade in TK in their final fight, and Cade has *plenty* of big TK feats.

When Krayt blitzed the Knights in the first issue, normal officers was capable of following his movements IIRC, which means he wasn't even fighting imperceptibly fast.

?

Here is the fight in it's entirety-
Link

No officer did anything during the fight. The knights surrounded Krayt, and then before the knights could react, three of 'em were dead, next move the leader was disarmed, then he was dead too.

The officers there could presumably witness, "Yep, those guys died fast," but Krayt cut down the Emperor's personal bodyguard before they could react, and no-one said or did anything to indicate they were following movements.

And I believe the best blitzing of Malgus mentioned in the thread is against a mere two force users.

For strength, don't even remember anything that Krayt did. Although he had a nice durability feat where he tanked an explosion when he fought Muur (or something).

He was pushing Cade around pretty heavily in their fight, and also overpowering Celeste Morne.

also, the way Krayt killed Wyyrlok was really dumb. Wyyrlok had his lightsaber raised then Krayt just Jar Kai stabs him through the neck? Wtf?

Remember, Wyyrlok was using illusions and thought Krayt was helpless. Note how Krayt's hands are empty in one page, but in the next they've got his sabers in Wyyrlok and he comments that this is his trap.

In other words, I'm pretty sure Krayt was doing an illusion of himself being disarmed. Either that or he moved *really* fast in that moment, to outspeed Wyyrlok's swing. One way or another, it's impressive.

Yes, I realized that as soon as I typed it.

Originally posted by Q99
He also had the edge against Cade in TK in their final fight, and Cade has *plenty* of big TK feats.

Originally posted by Q99
No officer did anything during the fight. The knights surrounded Krayt, and then before the knights could react, three of 'em were dead, next move the leader was disarmed, then he was dead too.

The officers are clearly watching the fight imo.

Originally posted by Q99
He was pushing Cade around pretty heavily in their fight, and also overpowering Celeste Morne.

Originally posted by Q99
Remember, Wyyrlok was using illusions and thought Krayt was helpless. Note how Krayt's hands are empty in one, page, but in the next they've got his sabers and he comments that this is his trap.

In other words, I'm pretty sure Krayt was doing an illusion of himself being disarmed.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Don't really remember this. What did he do?

He threw a ship some distance at Talon way back in their first meeting. He put up a TK-sphere that protected him and Blue from the center of Maladi's base exploding too. Also his and Talon's fight in war wrecked the terrain they were on too (here's their fight, though I guess it's mainly Talon doing the damage. Still, if just a Hand is this strong, and the Hands are outmatched by Cade, who's outmatched by Krayt...).

The officers are clearly watching the fight imo.

It doesn't mean they could follow movements, just that they were aware there's conflict.

Heck, the officer doesn't say anything until *after* the knights are down, and it's just Krayt walking up and killing a helpless dude. Meaning, the warning to not interfere came after the fight was already ended!

I guess.

It's either an illusion, or he managed to quickdraw before Wyyrlok could even swing. Either way, it's pretty good.

Originally posted by Q99
He threw a ship some distance at Talon way back in their first meeting. He put up a TK-sphere that protected him and Blue from the center of Maladi's base exploding too. Also his and Talon's fight in war wrecked the terrain they were on too (here's their fight, though I guess it's mainly Talon doing the damage. Still, if just a Hand is this strong, and the Hands are outmatched by Cade, who's outmatched by Krayt...).

Also, I disagree with your chain. Just because Bulq sent Mace on his ass doesn't mean I consider him a comparable telekinetic.

Originally posted by Q99
It doesn't mean they could follow movements, just that they were aware there's conflict.

Heck, the officer doesn't say anything until *after* the knights are down, and it's just Krayt walking up and killing a helpless dude. Meaning, the warning to not interfere came after the fight was already ended!

Eh. I still disagree that it's as uber as it's been hyped as. At best they would have been able to see Krayt as a blur but I don't buy that they couldn't see him at all.

Originally posted by Q99
It's either an illusion, or he managed to quickdraw before Wyyrlok could even swing. Either way, it's pretty good.

Malgus may not have as good blitzing feats than Krayt, but keeping up with Aryn is a comparable feat imo considering that feat me and Legend discussed on the last page.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
In what issue did Cade put up that shield protecting him from the explosion?

If you want the feat:

Originally posted by Nephthys

Cade has superior defensive abilities to Malgus. Yet in the fight above Krayt still smacks him around with his TK.

Eh. I still disagree that it's as uber as it's been hyped as. At best they would have been able to see Krayt as a blur but I don't buy that they couldn't see him at all.

We've got no evidence on how much they could see or not see- but beating 4 knights once surrounded with no surprise and not even looking and yet them still not being able to do anything is still a hell of a feat.

@Neph

Tbh, I don't see anyone putting up a Force shield.

Also, if you were referring to Republic 59: Enemy Lines, Hett and Anakin never even fought. Anakin was seeing the Tuskens that had captured his mother and the only thing Hett did was to beg him to calm down. 😬

@ Q99

It's a decent feat but nothing incredible. I don't even remember any of them having any showings at all.

@ Q99

It's a decent feat but nothing incredible. I don't even remember any of them having any showings at all.

Morghan Fel did some stuff bodyguarding Roan outside that, he was the one who sensed and forcegrabbed Nyna Calixte. And it's more, "In maybe one second, he took out four hand-picked Imperial Knights including the master of the bodydguard, the Emperor's cousin." Even famed Jedi killers or Sith killers don't take Jedi/Sith out that fast.

Really, one of the things about a comic vs the books or a fair amount of other things, is the comics don't stop and dwell over just how impressive something is. Dramatic music doesn't play to illustrate just how badass this is, etc..

If a character kills a group of knights in a similar fashion in a book, it'd be,
"Despite their training, the hand-picked cadre might as well have been standing still. His lightsaber slide from one foe to another, not even their keenly tuned force senses and years of sword training giving the hand-picked Knights, veterans of many battles, the slightest chance to react. Krayt didn't even have to look at them as the three Imperial Knights fell behind him, focusing on the one who he could sense stood above the rest, Morghan Fel, the Emperor's cousin. With one deft move, he knocked the blade out of the Fel's hand, and then with the next, he impaled the leader of the Emperor's bodyguard and lifted in him the air, his strength . Only then did the force-dull officers in the room realize what was going on, belatedly shouting a warning to his fellows to not get involved, not that they had a chance to. It had been barely a moment since the Dark Lord had begun his work and already it had finished. The Imperial Knights, who had retained hopes of fighting free, maybe even killing him, up to the last moment, had not required any of the other Sith in the room to act or even bought time for the one on the throne. Such was to oppose Lord Krayt."

Or some such.

There's other feats that are really impressive, but easy to overlook. Like, remember when Antares Draco was captured rescuing the princess? Well, he'd already killed 2-3 sith fighting alongside the others, then *seven* sith warriors all come out and dogpile him, not sequentially, but all at once, and he kills them all, and then finally he gets a boss fight with Havok.

And we talk about Ven Zallow being impressive for his casual dispatching of a pair of Sith Warriors.

I don't think Zallow is particularly impressive. His statement of being one of the best in the TOR era holds more water than killing two Sith imo. Likewise I never cite Maul's feat of slaughtering the entire black sun as a skill feat or him killing ''seven of the deadliest beings in the galaxy in the time it takes to say it'' as a speed feat.

Originally posted by Q99
Morghan Fel did some stuff bodyguarding Roan outside that, he was the one who sensed and forcegrabbed Nyna Calixte. And it's more, "In maybe one second, he took out four hand-picked Imperial Knights including the master of the bodydguard, the Emperor's cousin." Even famed Jedi killers or Sith killers don't take Jedi/Sith out that fast.

Really, one of the things about a comic vs the books or a fair amount of other things, is the comics don't stop and dwell over just how impressive something is. Dramatic music doesn't play to illustrate just how badass this is, etc..

If a character kills a group of knights in a similar fashion in a book, it'd be,
"Despite their training, the hand-picked cadre might as well have been standing still. His lightsaber slide from one foe to another, not even their keenly tuned force senses and years of sword training giving the hand-picked Knights, veterans of many battles, the slightest chance to react. Krayt didn't even have to look at them as the three Imperial Knights fell behind him, focusing on the one who he could sense stood above the rest, Morghan Fel, the Emperor's cousin. With one deft move, he knocked the blade out of the Fel's hand, and then with the next, he impaled the leader of the Emperor's bodyguard and lifted in him the air, his strength . Only then did the force-dull officers in the room realize what was going on, belatedly shouting a warning to his fellows to not get involved, not that they had a chance to. It had been barely a moment since the Dark Lord had begun his work and already it had finished. The Imperial Knights, who had retained hopes of fighting free, maybe even killing him, up to the last moment, had not required any of the other Sith in the room to act or even bought time for the one on the throne. Such was to oppose Lord Krayt."

Or some such.

There's other feats that are really impressive, but easy to overlook. Like, remember when Antares Draco was captured rescuing the princess? Well, he'd already killed 2-3 sith fighting alongside the others, then *seven* sith warriors all come out and dogpile him, not sequentially, but all at once, and he kills them all, and then finally he gets a boss fight with Havok.

And we talk about Ven Zallow being impressive for his casual dispatching of a pair of Sith Warriors.

The lack of grandiose descriptive language and additional context makes books superior to comics in terms of solidifying how powerful or how unique or how insert-fluff-here things are, which is why Exar Kun can't be good enough to kill just about anyone who lived outside of a comic book to a lot of people. It's taken a tremendous amount of arguing and scans to get Kun what little respect he has now.

And don't get me started on the likes of Sadow, Kressh, Vodo, or Ulic. They might as well be TPM Annie.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
The lack of grandiose descriptive language and additional context makes books superior to comics in terms of solidifying how powerful or how unique or how insert-fluff-here things are, which is why Exar Kun can't be good enough to kill just about anyone who lived outside of a comic book to a lot of people. It's taken a tremendous amount of arguing and scans to get Kun what little respect he has now.

Personally I feel comics are quite good at the actual showing of feats, just less good at the convincing of people ^^

Legacy ironically especially easy to establish, since it has about a dozen major characters between the Jedi/Sith/Imperial Knights who each get to fight multiple foes, plus links to not one but three/four other eras.

And don't get me started on the likes of Sadow, Kressh, Vodo, or Ulic. They might as well be TPM Annie.

Sadow and Kressh are hard to get respect for because *they never get to duel!*

*Shakes fist at spirit-Ragnos, interrupter of duels*

Vodo and especially Ulic, on the other hand, have some good fights in them.