Originally posted by -K-M-
He did, as even Marrina who is alien (Plodex) was taken out from the psi attack.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Not necessarily IMO. Namor has boasted high TP resistance throughout his exsitence. They only answer as to why, whether we feel it it logical or not, is that he is a half breed.
So, bad writing then. Being a half-breed shouldn't make a damn bit of difference.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Attuma is not class 60, he is the equal of Namor who is over class 1000 per his showings. There is no scaled class system in DC, so at best you are estimating Aquaman is class 100. Namor has always been portayed as stronger than Aquaman, so if Attuma is Namor's equal, he is stronger than Aquaman.
Bad ABC logic. Bad.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
^Namor portrayed stronger then Aquaman? Are they in the same Universe? DCnU AM has strength feats that put him easily at CL100, that's the only thing that counts. Attuma is listed as CL60 im the Handbooks iirc.
Attuma was upgraded by Doom in 2009. Maybe this synopsis will help you out:
http://marvel.wikia.com/Dark_Reign:_Made_Men_Vol_1_1
Or Attuma, for that matter, but needs a "counter" in case Namor turns on him. He has used his mystic and scientific knowledge to give Attuma all of Namor's powers. He offers Attuma a choice: serve him or walk out the door. If Attuma serves, Doom will offer him a home for his people within Atlantean waters, a safe harbour in between schemes, and a strong master to aid him... and possibly, the chance to fight Namor.
As far as Namor being stronger, it's been quite obvious throughout his existence, so much so that JLA/A acknowledged the strength gap. Namor could always go toe to toe with Hulk, Aquaman has traditionally been at least two classes lower.
Originally posted by -Pr-
So, bad writing then. Being a half-breed shouldn't make a damn bit of difference.Bad ABC logic. Bad.
It's not bad writing, it's been the case throughout Namor's existence. To be consistent, you'd also have to chalk up his ability to fly due as bad writing as well.
I thought that the board's standard was supposed to be what shown on panel? You can't say it's bad writing simply because you don't approve.
ABC Logic is fine when that's the best information you have available. Ressurected Attuma and Aquaman have never met in comics. How else would you better handicap a theorectical battle?
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Attuma was upgraded by Doom in 2009. Maybe this synopsis will help you out:http://marvel.wikia.com/Dark_Reign:_Made_Men_Vol_1_1
Or Attuma, for that matter, but needs a "counter" in case Namor turns on him. [B]He has used his mystic and scientific knowledge to give Attuma all of Namor's powers.
He offers Attuma a choice: serve him or walk out the door. If Attuma serves, Doom will offer him a home for his people within Atlantean waters, a safe harbour in between schemes, and a strong master to aid him... and possibly, the chance to fight Namor.As far as Namor being stronger, it's been quite obvious throughout his existence, so much so that JLA/A acknowledged the strength gap. Namor could always go toe to toe with Hulk, Aquaman has traditionally been at least two classes lower. [/B]
So you are talking about upgraded attuma. Well normal attuma is on CL60 👆
Obvious? Not a fact. JL/Avengers is not up to date anymore. AQ showed in the DCnU that he is a legit CL100 powerhouse. Accept it.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
So you are talking about upgraded attuma. Well normal attuma is on CL60 👆Obvious? Not a fact. JL/Avengers is not up to date anymore. AQ showed in the DCnU that he is a legit CL100 powerhouse. Accept it.
Again, his upgrade occured in 2009- it's 2013.
CURRENT Attuma = Upgraded Attuma
The rules of the board is that current versions are used unless otherwise stated.
Here is the JLA/A scan where AM knocked out everyone in the room accept for Namor and Plasticman. Marrina and the Atlantean army lead by Attuma are knocked out.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/108905/3233111-capture.png
Namor mentions how he is "only" half Atlantean and has a headache. So a psi attack that completey took out an Atlantean army only gave Namor a headache. This is completely consistent with his psi resistance which is well documented. He has resisted mind attacks in the form of direct psi attacks, astral plane attacks, attempts at mind control and mystic attacks.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Ok so he is on AQ level. Cool, both CL100?
Like I said, I don't know for myself, but I hear people saying that he has been portrayed as stronger lately. The question is whether this is a portrayal or if it's proven that he is "upgraded" over the "old" Aquaman. Attuma's upgrade however is not is doubt, it's official as of 2009.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
It's not bad writing, it's been the case throughout Namor's existence. To be consistent, you'd also have to chalk up his ability to fly due as bad writing as well.I thought that the board's standard was supposed to be what shown on panel? You can't say it's bad writing simply because you don't approve.
ABC Logic is fine when that's the best information you have available. Ressurected Attuma and Aquaman have never met in comics. How else would you better handicap a theorectical battle?
Namor being half human being the reason Aquaman's psionics don't work on him ignores Aquaman's showings, and is bad writing, at least in terms of representing Aquaman.
No, ABC logic isn't fine. Deduction is a different thing.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Like I said, I don't know for myself, but I hear people saying that he has been portrayed as stronger lately. The question is whether this is a portrayal or if it's proven that he is "upgraded" over the "old" Aquaman. Attuma's upgrade however is not is doubt, it's official as of 2009.
Aquaman has been portrayed as a solid low herald strength wise for almost two years now.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Namor being half human being the reason Aquaman's psionics don't work on him ignores Aquaman's showings, and is bad writing, at least in terms of representing Aquaman.No, ABC logic isn't fine. Deduction is a different thing.
Aquaman has been portrayed as a solid low herald strength wise for almost two years now.
But it did work, it just wasn't potent enough for Namor. If it didn't work, then Namor would have been completely unaffected like Plasticman was. Namor being resistent to psi attacks is great writing regardless of the reasons because it's consistent with the character.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
But it did work, it just wasn't potent enough for Namor. If it didn't work, then Namor would have been completely unaffected like Plasticman was. Namor being resistent to psi attacks is great writing regardless of the reasons because it's consistent with the character.
I have no problem with Namor having psionic resistance that would allow him to not be taken out by Aquaman's telepathy.
The problem is that the scan you posted completely downplays Aquaman's telepathy, even in his own phrasing of his own telepathic ability. That's bad writing, given how inconsistent it is with Aquaman's showings.
That doesn't mean Namor resisting is bad writing; just HOW he resisted it.
The writer obviously still thinks that Aquaman can only commune with ocean life, and is showing his ignorance.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Here is the JLA/A scan where AM knocked out everyone in the room accept for Namor and Plasticman. Marrina and the Atlantean army lead by Attuma are knocked out.http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/108905/3233111-capture.png
Namor mentions how he is "only" half Atlantean and has a headache. So a psi attack that completey took out an Atlantean army only gave Namor a headache. This is completely consistent with his psi resistance which is well documented. He has resisted mind attacks in the form of direct psi attacks, astral plane attacks, attempts at mind control and mystic attacks.
AQ wins 10/10 then by shutting Attumas mind off. 👆
Originally posted by -Pr-
I have no problem with Namor having psionic resistance that would allow him to not be taken out by Aquaman's telepathy.The problem is that the scan you posted completely downplays Aquaman's telepathy, even in his own phrasing of his own telepathic ability. That's bad writing, given how inconsistent it is with Aquaman's showings.
That doesn't mean Namor resisting is bad writing; just HOW he resisted it.
The writer obviously still thinks that Aquaman can only commune with ocean life, and is showing his ignorance.
Huh? Where are you getting that from? Aquaman specifically says he had to atune his psi to affect the physiology of the Atlanteans. He says it took some time and it was strenuous. This does not mean that he can't take out humans with his psi. He wasn't trying to.
