Originally posted by Stoic
What makes you believe this? Proxima would be dangerous for anyone in Dianas tier. She easily took down Monica who is most certainly faster than WW on average.
My reasoning is this:
Defence: I haven't seen anything (bar Eros' guns) that have bypassed DCnU WW's bracers, and I haven't seen anything pre-Flashpoint that did. This leads me to believe that IF she's able to get her hands up, she will.
Monica is fast, probably even faster, yes.....but not in h2h combat, than WW. Based on the fight with Darkseid, I think she'd have the reflexes to block the spear (which we know to be energy). Wakandan soldiers were able to throw themselves in front of the spear and save Shuri from the spear, IIRC.
Offence: Cage was making her bleed. Sure, she looked like she was enjoying the fight later on, but her durability wasn't anything WW couldn't dish out. And this is before we take the sword into account.
Psychology: Proxima was getting frustrated with Cage's stubbornness. WW is famed pre-DCnU as someone who wouldn't quit fighting (see Tower of Babel storyline). DCnU WW seems pretty tenacious as well. The longer the fight goes on, the more mistakes PM will make, which I believe WW can capitalise on.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wakandan soldiers were able to throw themselves in front of the spear and save Shuri from the spear, IIRC.
Apologies, I lied. Checking back, it was a normal spear that she had charged up, that the soldiers managed to intercept:
Still, my belief still stands. Proxima seems to be a glass cannon to me, and if her main offence can be negated (by the bracers) then WW should win.
Originally posted by carver9
Looks like her spear attacks the target it is aimed at.
So...she's talking to Shuri, the one person who hurts her...and decides to spear a random bystander?
As for Stoic, Shuri is the Black Panther's name, not the guards. Just saying.
My point for that scan was, PM threw her spear, and a random Wakandan soldier (not the elite Dolores Mejor) managed to throw their entire body in the way to protect the queen.
Given that, I believe that WW could throw her hands up and use her bracers to deflect/block it.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So...she's talking to Shuri, the one person who hurts her...and decides to spear a random bystander?As for Stoic, Shuri is the Black Panther's name, not the guards. Just saying.
My point for that scan was, PM threw her spear, and a random Wakandan soldier (not the elite Dolores Mejor) managed to throw their entire body in the way to protect the queen.
Given that, I believe that WW could throw her hands up and use her bracers to deflect/block it.
Hold on. I think you may have misread my post? I know ho Shuri is... just saying. Proxima was not hurt by the spear as you can clearly see
in the very scan that you provided. I am also assuming that you are
saying that Diana would fight Proxima, at hyper speeds? If so, when has she ever fought like that?
Originally posted by Stoic
Hold on. I think you may have misread my post? I know ho Shuri is... just saying. Proxima was not hurt by the spear as you can clearly see
in the very scan that you provided. I am also assuming that you are
saying that Diana would fight Proxima, at hyper speeds? If so, when has she ever fought like that?
Sorry, misread your post - because you said that the spear was thrown by A Shuri. My bad.
I am saying that WW has reacted and used her bracers to block energy beams, bullets, superspeed punches etc coming at her before. Many times. Proxima's main weapon - an energy spear that kills most that it comes into contact with - would be blocked by WW, who has used her bracers before both pre and post Flashpoint.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Sorry, misread your post - because you said that the spear was thrown by A Shuri. My bad.I am saying that WW has reacted and used her bracers to block energy beams, bullets, superspeed punches etc coming at her before. Many times. Proxima's main weapon - an energy spear that kills most that it comes into contact with - would be blocked by WW, who has used her bracers before both pre and post Flashpoint.
Well while Monica was in energy form she was not immune to
the spears effects, so Diana may still be affected by it contacting
her bracers. i wouldn't want to argue the point, because it's not
a certainty that it would be able to do anything other than being
deflected. Moving on, Proxima appears to be quite fast herself,
as she was able to see Monica, and react to her movements. As we
know light moves fast. Proxima dominated a fairly powerful group
of heroes that would have given Diana a fight as well. I'm just
saying that Diana would be in for one hell of a fight here, and the
people saying that she wins easily are wrong. She may win.
Originally posted by Stoic👆 Not a stomp, though I'd give WW the majority.
Well while Monica was in energy form she was not immune to
the spears effects, so Diana may still be affected by it contacting
her bracers. i wouldn't want to argue the point, because it's not
a certainty that it would be able to do anything other than being
deflected. Moving on, Proxima appears to be quite fast herself,
as she was able to see Monica, and react to her movements. As we
know light moves fast. Proxima dominated a fairly powerful group
of heroes that would have given Diana a fight as well. I'm just
saying that Diana would be in for one hell of a fight here, and the
people saying that she wins easily are wrong. She may win.
Originally posted by Stoic
I am also assuming that you are
saying that Diana would fight Proxima, at hyper speeds? If so, when has she ever fought like that?
Originally posted by Stoic
Well while Monica was in energy form she was not immune to
the spears effects, so Diana may still be affected by it contacting
her bracers.
Originally posted by Stoic
Moving on, Proxima appears to be quite fast herself,
as she was able to see Monica, and react to her movements. As we
know light moves fast.
Originally posted by Stoic
Proxima dominated a fairly powerful group
of heroes that would have given Diana a fight as well.
A rather pathetic lineup, seriously. WW wouldn't even get out of bed to fight these chumps, and I say that as someone who's not even a big WW fan. Anyways, let's narrow this down to the list of people who actually fought Proxima:
Luke Cage
Yeah, this one's real tough.
Originally posted by Stoic
No to beat a dead horse, but Proxima's damage soak, has me
believing that she would take the majority here.
Damage soak?
Cage made her bleed. A spear thrown by Shuri made her bleed (IIRC Doomwar meant all the vibranium was gone, so it was probably just a normal spear).
WW has an INSANELY sharp, mystical sword. Sure, you argue it didn't slow PM down in the slightest...but if a normal spear hurled by a peak human went pretty much all the way through her, imagine a super sharp mystical sword wielded by a legit superhuman.
Let alone pre-FP, with her tiara and lasso.