Proxima Midnight vs Wonder Woman

^ Keep ignoring all the points I'm making and just focus on the ones I'm not. It's serving you well.

I never said it didn't pierce the bracers. It did.

I never said it didn't cause any damage. It opens a hole in the target to be filled by the shooter. Persephone basically said exactly that.

I don't know how the purpose of the gun could be more clear without making it kindergarten level writing. It's supposed to make people fall in love, not kill them. It's like Cupid's arrow, you get pierced by it. That part happens, but it doesn't do real damage.

Originally posted by Cogito
It was no real attack and it did no real damage.

But I get it. Wonder Woman being one-shot by a weapon ought to be completely ignored like Hulk being one-shot by a weapon. Oh, wait. I remember you saying Hulk was never KTFO too. It must have been an off-panel ruse by Banner all along to lull her into a false sense of security and dropping her guard.

Yup, we get it though. Wonder Woman somehow faked the whole thing.

Continuing with the evidence...

Originally posted by Cogito
The contention is whether the bullets are real and they pierced the bracers because the bracers weren't strong enough, or whether they pierced because they're more abstract than that.

After all, DCnU Diana's bracers have blocked other attacks by Gods, so why would Eros' be so much more powerful when he's not even a remotely significant God? Nope. Combined with all the other evidence, I'm not buying it for a second.

What do you mean more abstract? That doesn't even make any sense. We saw them pierce Diana, break her bracers and enter her chest clear as day. There was nothing abstract about it. Whoever you shoot, the bullet will make them love you but that's about as mystical as it gets.

What are you talking about? What other evidence? Your reasoning comes down to it not being a showing you agree with so something else must be going on but nothing suggests that.

We saw Superman catch them out of the air as well:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/a12c127eb71573892217b83a09be0be3/tumblr_miqzyeyqLK1qjzbc7o1_1280.jpg

The bullets are real, very real.

The problem is that Wonder Woman's comic isn't a high end super hero comic. The characters are much more scaled down and significantly more vulnerable. For example, this Universe's version of a Trans is getting cut by kitchen wear:

Those knives aren't abstract either.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What do you mean more abstract? That doesn't even make any sense. We saw them pierce Diana, break her bracers and enter her chest clear as day. There was nothing abstract about it. Whoever you shoot, the bullet will make them love you but that's about as mystical as it gets.

What are you talking about? What other evidence? Your reasoning comes down to it not being a showing you agree with so something else must be going on but nothing suggests that.

We saw Superman catch them out of the air as well:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/a12c127eb71573892217b83a09be0be3/tumblr_miqzyeyqLK1qjzbc7o1_1280.jpg

The bullets are real, very real.

The problem is that Wonder Woman's comic isn't a high end super hero comic. The characters are much more scaled down and significantly more vulnerable. For example, this Universe's version of a Trans is getting cut by kitchen wear:

Those knives aren't abstract either.

By abstract, I did not mean that they did not exist. They clearly exist. What I meant is that they don't play by the same rules as other weapons. They control an abstract concept -- love.

Yeah, Superman caught one. Different story, different writer, nothing's very established yet so there'll be continuity differences. That's to be expected. Another example of how the bullets aren't meant to harm though 👆

Originally posted by Cogito
Continuing with the evidence...

http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb378/CogitoXP/hades-ruse_zps4a9110d3.jpg

But we get it. Diana puts Constantine and Doom to shame. Look at this master manipulator who plots everybody's actions ahead of time:

Pfft, look at that. She's still in-character pretending to be clueless as to why Lennox, Eros and Hephaestus are there. Simply diabolical.

It wasn't Diana's plot, it was Hephaestus'

Here he gives Diana the guns. The way he talks about them makes it clear there's a plan. Obviously there's a plan, why else would he give them to her. (Note: at this point, Diana knows nothing)

Later: The wedding is announced. Hephaestus is the only family member expected. He makes Hades a gift...then makes sure he gets it.

Then: As they're leaving, Diana shoots Hades with the gun

Then: What's Hades doing at this moment? Oh my, he's looking at the wedding gift Hephaestus just gave him. What is it? It's a shiny disc of some kind so he sees his reflection as Diana shoots him, thus making him fall in love with himself.

There's no way Hephaestus expected any of this to happen is there? I mean, clearly all of these things falling into place were just coincidence. It's not like Hephaestus, mere pages before, was talking about how his family (Gods) should love more

Originally posted by Cogito
It wasn't Diana's plot, it was Hephaestus'

Originally posted by Cogito
I did read the comic. WW clearly knew what was going on the whole time, and basically set the whole thing up to save Zola from Hades.

In any event, none of your babbling in the above post is even coherently tied to the nonsensical notion that Diana faked getting one-shot by Eros' pistol. Now, let's see if you can understand plain English:

Superman stopped the same bullet. Superman>>Diana's bracers.

vin

Originally posted by ODG
What was it you just said a few posts ago? Oh, yeah, that's right: Oops on you.

Originally posted by ODG
In any event, none of your babbling in the above post is even coherently tied to the nonsensical notion that Diana faked getting one-shot by Eros' pistol. Now, let's see if you can understand plain English:

For the 100th time, I did not say Diana faked being shot. Please keep up. What I'm saying is that the damage is more abstract, causing a hole in the victim that's to be filled by love. That much was pretty clearly spelled out for us in the Diana/Persephone conversation.

^ I'm not going to apologize for your own bizarre flip-flopping in this thread. You haven't made any sense, and I'm not the only one who's pointed that out. At this point, you're just equivocating over your own nonsense in a rather pitiable attempt to pretend you're not chewing on your own foot like a stubborn mule.

You talked out of your a$$ when you tried to throw my own scan back in my face. And you've been covering up for that blunder ever since with the most patently erroneous statements like these:

Originally posted by Cogito
Obviously, since we know the gun had no real effect, Diana is playing this up.

Originally posted by Cogito
After all, DCnU Diana's bracers have blocked other attacks by Gods, so why would Eros' be so much more powerful when he's not even a remotely significant God? Nope.

What happens when you stare at that scan? Does your intransigence transform plain English words into a jumbled indecipherable mess like, "Iasudh gfu whedbc nuiqyd qidbcqidb iodcb wedocibedbehdb owbeidfbwed cihdf wery ufvewuf bwe?"

That's a rhetorical question. And I'm pretty much done with this utter farce of your's. What a senseless trainwreck of awful proportions.

Edge to Diana.

So we are equating Hephaestus' bullets with Proxima's spear now?

So we are equating Hephaestus' bracers with Cap's shield now?

So we all agree Diana wins? 😉

Originally posted by ODG
So we are equating Hephaestus' bracers with Cap's shield now?

Well, both were broken/pierced by mystical forces 😈

Actually, am equating WW's reaction speed to a Wakandan soldier. And her punches to an amped Luke Cage with Heart Force.

Not to mention, her sword to Shuri's spear.

Anyway, WW bracers stopped Darkseid's Omega Beams and Pandora's bullets. Don't see why they wouldn't stop Proxima's spear.

^ And other Gods' attacks

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well, both were broken/pierced by mystical forces 😈

Actually, am equating WW's reaction speed to a Wakandan soldier. And her punches to an amped Luke Cage with Heart Force.

Not to mention, her sword to Shuri's spear.

While you're at it, why don't you try equating the speed of Orm's lightning bolt to that of the dark light tracers that outraced Spectrum's photonic form. Or the deep sea pressures + Trench creature toxin that imprisoned Diana to the star's weight + anti-photon corruption that restrained Hulk.

Not to mention, Proxima's spear to a normal champagne glass that stabbed Strife's hand who has manhandled Diana. Or Proxima's spear to normal kitchen knife cutlery that was flaying the First Born who roflstomped Diana. Or the wooden plank that delivered the coup de grace on First Born, etc., etc.

But yes, let's keep lowballing in a one-sided manner because that is what common sense demands of comic book discussions. I find it humorous that any of you would even think for a single second that these tired and witless ploys wouldn't cut both ways.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman stopped the same bullet. Superman>>Diana's bracers.

vin

Diana also stopped Pandroa's mystic bullets.