Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Her spear seemed to be able to cut through the Hulk. That in combination with it's speed, should make her extremely dangerous even to guys like Thor/Superman. It being fatal for Diana is a very reasonable argument based on what we've seen.
Thank you. Once again, WW is superior to all things except for Superman crap. PM so far looks incredibly formidable as well as sadistic.
Originally posted by Cogito
Indeed. Without Thanos' interruption, it looked like Cage had a legit chance of winning
This was just a chance to give Cage some shine, no different than the Thing overperforming and showing heart. Cage was no match for her. His skin had already been breeched and she made fun of it.
Also, it doesn't matter that she bled. I have no idea why this keeps getting brought up. Wolverine bleeds all the time and it means nothing. If you notice, she throws her own spear with her LEFT hand moments after she was peirced by the spear through the left shoulder. There was no laster damage seconds after the attack.
Also, it appears that the spears track the opponent. This would put Diana in a vulnerable position. I think this is a GREAT matchup.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
This was just a chance to give Cage some shine, no different than the Thing overperforming and showing heart. Cage was no match for her. His skin had already been breeched and she made fun of it.Also, it doesn't matter that she bled. I have no idea why this keeps getting brought up. Wolverine bleeds all the time and it means nothing. If you notice, she throws her own spear with her LEFT hand moments after she was peirced by the spear through the left shoulder. There was no laster damage seconds after the attack.
It keeps getting brought up...because WW has a sword that is much sharper, wielded by a user who is much stronger.
If a normal spear thrown by a peak human goes through her that easily, how easy do you think it would be to take her head off...or an arm off... (note how PM didnt (couldn't?) dodge)? DCnU isn't really the type to hold back in a fight, and it isn't like PM has an adamantium skeleton which saves her from being decapitated.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
This was just a chance to give Cage some shine, no different than the Thing overperforming and showing heart. Cage was no match for her. His skin had already been breeched and she made fun of it.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Also, it appears that the spears track the opponent. This would put Diana in a vulnerable position.
Honestly, this shit should be closed for spite. Clearly too many people are speaking without having read any Wonder Woman.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Damage soak?Cage made her bleed. A spear thrown by Shuri made her bleed (IIRC Doomwar meant all the vibranium was gone, so it was probably just a normal spear).
WW has an INSANELY sharp, mystical sword. Sure, you argue it didn't slow PM down in the slightest...but if a normal spear hurled by a peak human went pretty much all the way through her, imagine a super sharp mystical sword wielded by a legit superhuman.
Let alone pre-FP, with her tiara and lasso.
I am arguing that if Diana stood there like Proxima, that same spear would have also penetrated her shoulder as well, but Diana would have certainly winced, and cried out in pain. For some odd reason I also don't see how blows that rocked the city like an earthquake could be low balled by anyone on this board, especially after seeing how Proxima appeared to enjoy it, while Cage a nearly indestructible man began developing welts, and received shattered ribs from her, while she appeared to be taking it easy on him. Lobo bleeds but I'm sure people here would say that he would beat the living mess out of Diana.
Originally posted by Cogito
Cage is meta. WW is HH. Match them against each other with Cage overperforming as much has he possible can, and Diana beats him while sleepwalking. The gap is enormousSure, if the spear ever hit Diana, which it never would.
Honestly, this shit should be closed for spite. Clearly too many people are speaking without having read any Wonder Woman.
How is Wonder Woman a High Herald? more likely that she is mid, because she would need help against guys like Superman, the Hulk, Thor, Silver Surfer, Atrocitus, Blue Marvel, Sentry... should I continue, or have you gotten the point yet? Proxima toyed with Cage, and dropped him in her first assault. This is something that neither the Thing could do or Namor.
Originally posted by Stoic
I am arguing that if Diana stood there like Proxima, that same spear would have also penetrated her shoulder as well, but Diana would have certainly winced, and cried out in pain. For some odd reason I also don't see how blows that rocked the city like an earthquake could be low balled by anyone on this board, especially after seeing how Proxima appeared to enjoy it, while Cage a nearly indestructible man began developing welts, and received shattered ribs from her, while she appeared to be taking it easy on him. Lobo bleeds but I'm sure people here would say that he would beat the living mess out of Diana.
Wince snd cry, from a normal spear, thrown by a peak female human?
You're gonna have to back that argument up.
As for the blows, you've seen Superman's fight against her, right?
Lobo is a nonfactor. His body is able to fight without a head. Can PM do that? No.
Originally posted by Stoic
How is Wonder Woman a High Herald? more likely that she is mid, because she would need help against guys like Superman, the Hulk, Thor, Silver Surfer, Atrocitus, Blue Marvel, Sentry... should I continue, or have you gotten the point yet? Proxima toyed with Cage, and dropped him in her first assault. This is something that neither the Thing could do or Namor.
You've forgotten her gear, which makes her HH.
A one shot haxx lasso.
That sword.
Tiara.
Gauntlets of Atlas
Etc.
Originally posted by Cogito
Cage is meta. WW is HH. Match them against each other with Cage overperforming as much has he possible can, and Diana beats him while sleepwalking. The gap is enormousSure, if the spear ever hit Diana, which it never would.
Honestly, this shit should be closed for spite. Clearly too many people are speaking without having read any Wonder Woman.
😆 Yeah, buddy, let's see if get that call.
Originally posted by Stoic
How is Wonder Woman a High Herald? more likely that she is mid, because she would need help against guys like Superman, the Hulk, Thor, Silver Surfer, Atrocitus, Blue Marvel, Sentry... should I continue, or have you gotten the point yet?
Whether you want to argue WW is at the low end of HH or high end of Mid, does it really matter? Either way it's so far beyond Cage.
Originally posted by Stoic
Proxima toyed with Cage, and dropped him in her first assault.
Toyed? This is the entirety of the fight. All five pages they appeared in together.
Page 1: Cage is dropped with a cheap shot from behind
Page 2: (Left out from prior page, Cage is definitely down) Cage gets up, stops Proxima's punch
Page 3: Cage puts Proxima down. Proxima is clearly bleeding from the punches, and isn't putting up any visible resistance.
Page 4: Now Proxima starts to fight back, they appear extremely evenly matched.
Proxima: What does it take? What does it take to end you? Why will you not die?
Page 5: Thanos interrupts. Cage is hit with another cheapshot. We see in the next page as Proxima is leaving, Cage is standing and fine.
The fourth page is the important one. The one where they're extremely evenly matched, where Proxima is distressed because they're too evenly matched. I don't know how it could be any clearer that Proxima (minus spear) is Cage level. And again, the spear is negated by Diana's bracers, so it's a moot point.
Originally posted by Cogito
Whether you want to argue WW is at the low end of HH or high end of Mid, does it really matter? Either way it's so far beyond Cage.Toyed? This is the entirety of the fight. All five pages they appeared in together.
Page 1: Cage is dropped with a cheap shot from behind
Page 2: (Left out from prior page, Cage is definitely down) Cage gets up, stops yProxima's punch
Page 3: Cage puts Proxima down. Proxima is clearly bleeding from the punches, and isn't putting up any visible resistance.
Page 4: Now Proxima starts to fight back, they appear extremely evenly matched.
you? Why will you not die?
Proxima: What does it take? What does it take to [b]endPage 5: Thanos interrupts. Cage is hit with another cheapshot. We see in the next page as Proxima is leaving, Cage is standing and fine.
The fourth page is the important one. The one where they're extremely evenly matched, where Proxima is distressed because they're too evenly matched. I don't know how it could be any clearer that Proxima (minus spear) is Cage level. And again, the spear is negated by Diana's bracers, so it's a moot point. [/B]
Stop it. PM is clearly depicted as being above Cage. If not, then you would have to accept the Thanos sent someone to lead an Earth invasion by a Luke Cage level character. Like I said, this was a Cage push. If Cage's skin was broken, he would be done. Thing vs Champion. By the way, Cage can't casually put down Monica.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Nothing, it's just another opportunity to nut hug Superman in a thread that has nothing to do with Superman.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Stop it. PM is clearly depicted as being above Cage. If not, then you would have to accept the Thanos sent someone to lead an Earth invasion by a Luke Cage level character. Like I said, this was a Cage push. If Cage's skin was broken, he would be done. Thing vs Champion. By the way, Cage can't casually put down Monica.
Another marvel nuthugger. Wonder Woman is superior to superman but would lose to someone Luke Cage was fighting evenly just because of something.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Stop it. PM is clearly depicted as being above Cage. If not, then you would have to accept the Thanos sent someone to lead an Earth invasion by a Luke Cage level character. Like I said, this was a Cage push. If Cage's skin was broken, he would be done. Thing vs Champion. By the way, Cage can't casually put down Monica.
Lol. I can accept Thanks sending someone to lead an Earth invasion by a Black Panther level character, and that person failing.
Oh wait, he totally did.
Give Cage a weapon that's fatal to most creatures, and can move likethe spear.....and he can.
Taking SSpectrum down is no mean feat.....for a meta tier. For a herald? Its bread and butter. Especially if you have a one shot kill weapon. Like PM's spear.
Or a lasso that, once wrapped around you, compels you to obey that person's every whim.
