Originally posted by ODG
^ That's like saying a GL ring would be meaningless to Superman if he fought Wonder Woman since she's shattered Hal's constructs with ease as well.
Am sure Abhi will show you scans of Superman having higher willpower than Hal 😆
Not to mention, strip the GL constructs away, and Superman would still be stronger and a better flier than WW.
^ It's still an amp. If you want to argue Namor wouldn't be able to use it effectively for it to matter, go ahead. Otherwise, we're talking about a guy who is one of the few characters in Marvel to outright defeat Hulk in direct combat. And he has a magic trident. And he now has a GL ring.
Would there be more reasonability in this thread if this were Superman vs. Aquaman + underwater amping + GL ring?
Originally posted by -K-M-
Yeah I have my doubts Namor in a year would be effective, many of the Green Lanterns (Not the main ones) have been training for longer and their considered to be fodder by most.
Most of them don't already have the willpower, confidence and physical power of Namor not to mention his wealth of experience. As I mentioned, he can fly already. I don't see him needing to do anything elaborate with the ring. He would benefit from the amp, the extra protection and use constructs to occupy Superman enough to stab him. He could also use the ring as a means of delivering the trident. He should be able to find ways to do that in a few weeks.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
[QUOTE=14515101]Originally posted by -Pr-
[B]Because nobody could genuinely think Superman could win, right?If you're so sure that Superman has no chance of winning. why make the thread?
[/Q]I thought perhaps the mods would serve to uphold the stated conditions of the battle and discourage simple cheerleading . I was wrong and that's why I said lock the thread. [/B]
Because your own behaviour and attitude has been absolutely stellar, right?
Just because you don't like the idea of Superman winning doesn't mean he can't win. Unless you intended this to be some sort of bait thread?
Originally posted by -Pr-
Because your own behaviour and attitude has been absolutely stellar, right?Just because you don't like the idea of Superman winning doesn't mean he can't win. Unless you intended this to be some sort of bait thread?
First of all, I really don't care about the outcome, what I care about is posters debating based on the conditions presented. Other posters do as well, do you? You presumptuous commentary on me is ill founded as I never even said Namor would win. My attitude is great. I'm using the board for it's intended purpose, creating interesting, creative battles instead of repeating the same old tired battles over and over.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
First of all, I really don't care about the outcome, what I care about is posters debating based on the conditions presented. Other posters do as well, do you? You presumptuous commentary on me is ill founded as I never even said Namor would win. My attitude is great. I'm using the board for it's intended purpose, creating interesting, creative battles instead of repeating the same old tired battles over and over.
Making personal comments about people isn't what one would call a great attitude. And you've done it more than once.
You think Namor is on the cusp of beating top heralds? Fine, you're welcome to it. Not everyone agrees. I don't agree.
If you want to foster debate, that's good, but showing ignorance about things like Lantern rings and Superman himself isn't how you go about doing it. You say you never said Namor would win, and yet you consistently bring up things like time travel or argue for ways Namor can win using outdated information.
Can Namor win? Sure, he has a reasonable chance. Saying Superman is too fast for him isn't bad debating, it's an opinion based on logic, given the sheer amount of speed feats even the most recent version has.
Thinking Superman would win doesn't automatically make someone anti-Namor.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Making personal comments about people isn't what one would call a great attitude. And you've done it more than once.You think Namor is on the cusp of beating top heralds? Fine, you're welcome to it. Not everyone agrees. I don't agree.
If you want to foster debate, that's good, but showing ignorance about things like Lantern rings and Superman himself isn't how you go about doing it. You say you never said Namor would win, and yet you consistently bring up things like time travel or argue for ways Namor can win using outdated information.
Can Namor win? Sure, he has a reasonable chance. Saying Superman is too fast for him isn't bad debating, it's an opinion based on logic, given the sheer amount of speed feats even the most recent version has.
Thinking Superman would win doesn't automatically make someone anti-Namor.
That's just it, no one said Superman would win because of the speed of advantage which is legit. Had someone said that I would not have argued against it. But that's not what people are saying. People are saying his heat vision would be too much while completely ignoring the fact that Namor has a GL rings for protection. Why didn't you accuse them of being ignorant about the GL rings? Your interpretation of why I brought up time travel is embarrassingly incorrect. I brought it up as an example of what GLs can do on the high end, I never said or suggested Namor would be able to do this. I said it in response to people who apparently thought creating shields was some sort of exotic task. So you just accused me of being ignorant when the simple matter is you failed to comprehend my statement.
And since you again suggested I have an issue with posters who believe Superman would win, I'll repeat myself by saying I did not vote in the battle and I do not care about the outcome of the votes. No one side is getting a paycheck for a win. Once I saw the way things were going and that a moderator was doing nothing to keep the debate balanced, I asked that the thread be locked. Those are the facts. Now you can try all you want to make this about me, but like I said, there are posters in this thread who are saying the same thing I am and you have been completely silent on those issues. it appears to me that at least in this thread you are far more interested in taking sides than you are moderating the battle.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Am sure Abhi will show you scans of Superman having higher willpower than Hal 😆Not to mention, strip the GL constructs away, and Superman would still be stronger and a better flier than WW.
If this was a DC gl against a marvel character, he would be making false claims that a GL could survived and antimatter wave in space, but since its not, he is silent when someone says GL Namor would fall to Superman's microwaves, even though he has been shown to be able to redirect such attacks on his own.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
That's just it, no one said Superman would win because of the speed of advantage which is legit. Had someone said that I would not have argued against it. But that's not what people are saying. People are saying his heat vision would be too much while completely ignoring the fact that Namor has a GL rings for protection. Why didn't you accuse them of being ignorant about the GL rings? Your interpretation of why I brought up time travel is embarrassingly incorrect. I brought it up as an example of what GLs can do on the high end, I never said or suggested Namor would be able to do this. I said it in response to people who apparently thought creating shields was some sort of exotic task. So you just accused me of being ignorant when the simple matter is you failed to comprehend my statement.And since you again suggested I have an issue with posters who believe Superman would win, I'll repeat myself by saying I did not vote in the battle and I do not care about the outcome of the votes. No one side is getting a paycheck for a win. Once I saw the way things were going and that a moderator was doing nothing to keep the debate balanced, I asked that the thread be locked. Those are the facts. Now you can try all you want to make this about me, but like I said, there are posters in this thread who are saying the same thing I am and you have been completely silent on those issues. it appears to me that at least in this thread you are far more interested in taking sides than you are moderating the battle.
At least one person mentioned speed. So did I, iirc.
So people are ignoring that gl auto shields have been pierced by much less than strong heat vision, which is not just heat itself? It isn't just a blast of heat, after all. It isn't ignorance to say that a GL's auto shields would get pierced by Superman's HV, because they've been shown as breakable before.
You want to accuse me of failing to comprehend things? Go ahead, it won't make any difference. GL rings at high end aren't capable of doing things like that anymore.
You still made several personal comments aimed at people supporting Superman.
Why should I pander to your needs when you so wilfully disregard one side's arguments?
You say they're facts, when they're not, nor have you proven them as such.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
If this was a DC gl against a marvel character, he would be making false claims that a GL could survived and antimatter wave in space, but since its not, he is silent when someone says GL Namor would fall to Superman's microwaves, even though he has been shown to be able to redirect such attacks on his own.
Please, don't patronise. Accusing people of bias just because they don't agree with you isn't helping your cause any either.
Originally posted by -Pr-
At least one person mentioned speed. So did I, iirc.So people are ignoring that gl auto shields have been pierced by much less than strong heat vision, which is not just heat itself? It isn't just a blast of heat, after all. It isn't ignorance to say that a GL's auto shields would get pierced by Superman's HV, because they've been shown as breakable before.
You want to accuse me of failing to comprehend things? Go ahead, it won't make any difference. GL rings at high end aren't capable of doing things like that anymore.
You still made several personal comments aimed at people supporting Superman.
Why should I pander to your needs when you so wilfully disregard one side's arguments?
You say they're facts, when they're not, nor have you proven them as such.
Please, don't patronise. Accusing people of bias just because they don't agree with you isn't helping your cause any either.
I made no personal comments towards anyone and if you want to discipline me for it then be my guest. You're going to have to find them first. In doing so you would more than prove your bias as you let posters like get Abhi get away with personal comments on a daily basis. 0h, and thanks for ignoring the fact that other posters in the thread have said some of the same things I said for the third time.
If one poster did mention the speed advantage, thats great. Obviously I did not oppose him. On the other hand, I saw at least one other poster complain about what a Superman jerk fest this board has become.
Originally posted by ODGWould there be more reasonability in this thread if this were Superman vs. Aquaman + underwater amping + GL ring?
No. Because AM sucks, as do all of his fans.
And Blue AV, I personally didn't argue about the speed advantage because Namor has been shown to have pretty good speed feats of his own. If you think SM could speed blitz him, that's fair enough.
But you're wrong 😠
Stop lowballing Namor, you Superlover.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I made no personal comments towards anyone and if you want to discipline me for it then be my guest. You're going to have to find them first. In doing so you would more than prove your bias as you let posters like get Abhi get away with personal comments on a daily basis. 0h, and thanks for ignoring the fact that other posters in the thread have said some of the same things I said for the third time.If one poster did mention the speed advantage, thats great. Obviously I did not oppose him. On the other hand, I saw at least one other poster complain about what a Superman jerk fest this board has become.
Two for starters:
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I'm not sure most of the people in this thread have actually done that.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Most of these guys would sell their children to wank Superman one last time. I post far less than I used to because of this. They approach battles thinking "How will my boy win this time?"
And that's not even counting your smarmy comments about mods and how I apparently never discipline Abhi. Ask him yourself.
How about you just get back on topic and we'll leave it at that?
Originally posted by ODG
^ It's still an amp. If you want to argue Namor wouldn't be able to use it effectively for it to matter, go ahead. Otherwise, we're talking about a guy who is one of the few characters in Marvel to outright defeat Hulk in direct combat. And he has a magic trident. And he now has a GL ring.Would there be more reasonability in this thread if this were Superman vs. Aquaman + underwater amping + GL ring?
This...
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
even though he has been shown to be able to redirect such attacks on his own.
When was this? I saw Stilt's scan:
Radioactive power...I dunno, debateable if that means the same as microwave/HV, but you think so, agree to disagree.
Also, you accept that SM is faster than Namor....fast enough to win.
Would he be fast enough to use his HV to win? Or are you imagining a speedblitz or a flurry of punches? Surely a lightspeed attack would be faster than a physical attack?
IOW, if SM is fast enough to punch Namor to win, he should be even faster with lightspeed attacks (i.e. beams from his eyes).
This would be even more so if you believe Namor is more durable to physical attacks (he took on Savage Hulk after all) than to being dehydrated/microwaved.
It is a good thread, and I can see what you were trying to do (i.e. give Namor a good chance of giving an interesting fight), and he does, but SM for me still wins. Admittedly I started getting cavalier with my exchange with Stiltman, but he's a d!ck, and I hate him so much.
But damn, do I respect him.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
When was this? I saw Stilt's scan:Radioactive power...I dunno, debateable if that means the same as microwave/HV, but you think so, agree to disagree.
Also, you accept that SM is faster than Namor....fast enough to win.
Would he be fast enough to use his HV to win? Or are you imagining a speedblitz or a flurry of punches? Surely a lightspeed attack would be faster than a physical attack?
IOW, if SM is fast enough to punch Namor to win, he should be even faster with lightspeed attacks (i.e. beams from his eyes).
This would be even more so if you believe Namor is more durable to physical attacks (he took on Savage Hulk after all) than to being dehydrated/microwaved.
It is a good thread, and I can see what you were trying to do (i.e. give Namor a good chance of giving an interesting fight), and he does, but SM for me still wins. Admittedly I started getting cavalier with my exchange with Stiltman, but he's a d!ck, and I hate him so much.
But damn, do I respect him.
Wow, I was done with this thread and then you go and make an intelligent, articulate, respectful post like this. Well, although the speed advantage is clear, the question with Superman is what would cause him to speed blitz early in the fight? The only way he would go all out with speed if if he perceives the threat to be so powerful that it is a threat to Superman and the rest of his cohorts, which would constitute a threat to society in general. Once Superman sees GL Namor, not only would he not see a Doomsday level opponent, he would see a member of a familiar galactic policing force, even if he does look like Black Adam's big brother :-) . A speed attack is very unlikely.
Secondly, based on Namor's history and not just the scan, it is very likely he would redirect a microwave attack. Here is Namor opening up to take a repulsor ray blast and redirecting it with NO problem:
Then you have to factor in fact that it would be his will to redirect the attack and the GL power will play a huge role if needed.
I really don't see a clear advantage for Superman outside of extending the fight way out. On the other hand, Superman would have no reason to believe his Trident is magical. Namor could even disguise it with green energy to make it even more unsuspecting. Thanks for the response.