Originally posted by DarkSaint85
When was this? I saw Stilt's scan:Radioactive power...I dunno, debateable if that means the same as microwave/HV, but you think so, agree to disagree.
Also, you accept that SM is faster than Namor....fast enough to win.
Would he be fast enough to use his HV to win? Or are you imagining a speedblitz or a flurry of punches? Surely a lightspeed attack would be faster than a physical attack?
IOW, if SM is fast enough to punch Namor to win, he should be even faster with lightspeed attacks (i.e. beams from his eyes).
This would be even more so if you believe Namor is more durable to physical attacks (he took on Savage Hulk after all) than to being dehydrated/microwaved.
It is a good thread, and I can see what you were trying to do (i.e. give Namor a good chance of giving an interesting fight), and he does, but SM for me still wins. Admittedly I started getting cavalier with my exchange with Stiltman, but he's a d!ck, and I hate him so much.
But damn, do I respect him.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Wow, I was done with this thread and then you go and make an intelligent, articulate, respectful post like this. Well, although the speed advantage is clear, the question with Superman is what would cause him to speed blitz early in the fight? The only way he would go all out with speed if if he perceives the threat to be so powerful that it is a threat to Superman and the rest of his cohorts, which would constitute a threat to society in general. Once Superman sees GL Namor, not only would he not see a Doomsday level opponent, he would see a member of a familiar galactic policing force, even if he does look like Black Adam's big brother :-) . A speed attack is very unlikely.Secondly, based on Namor's history and not just the scan, it is very likely he would redirect a microwave attack. Here is Namor opening up to take a repulsor ray blast and redirecting it with NO problem:
Then you have to factor in fact that it would be his will to redirect the attack and the GL power will play a huge role if needed.
I really don't see a clear advantage for Superman outside of extending the fight way out. On the other hand, Superman would have no reason to believe his Trident is magical. Namor could even disguise it with green energy to make it even more unsuspecting. Thanks for the response.
Dual repulsor rays and a uni-beam.
Originally posted by abhilegendThats great, doesent matter what his senses are and I doubt he has 50. A construct around the face to disorient him for a just a second is long enough for the now much faster Namor to fly up and stab him. That is pretty much his one and only optioin to winning this fight
Yeah, because superman doesn't have like 50 other senses to warn him.
Originally posted by abhilegendThats great, doesent matter what his senses are and I doubt he has 50. A construct around the face to disorient him for a just a second is long enough for the now much faster Namor to fly up and stab him. That is pretty much his one and only option to winning this fight
Yeah, because superman doesn't have like 50 other senses to warn him.
I am sure he would but if all of the sudden there is constructs covering his entire head, wrapped around his arms and his legs and another construct of a crowbar whacking him in the balls. And another construct shaped like a poker iron stabbingnhimninnthe butt.He is going to have his hands full getting free and being distracted while Namor flies up and stabs him. Even if it takes him less than a second that is still enough time for Namor to stab him.
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
I am sure he would but if all of the sudden there is constructs covering his entire head, wrapped around his arms and his legs and another construct of a crowbar whacking him in the balls. And another construct shaped like a poker iron stabbingnhimninnthe butt.He is going to have his hands full getting free and being distracted while Namor flies up and stabs him. Even if it takes him less than a second that is still enough time for Namor to stab him.
How about multiple constructs identical to the Trident?
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
I am sure he would but if all of the sudden there is constructs covering his entire head, wrapped around his arms and his legs and another construct of a crowbar whacking him in the balls. And another construct shaped like a poker iron stabbingnhimninnthe butt.He is going to have his hands full getting free and being distracted while Namor flies up and stabs him. Even if it takes him less than a second that is still enough time for Namor to stab him.
So while Namor is doing all of this, presumably, Superman is doing what, nothing?
Do we ignore that he's smashed constructs before? That his senses are so heightened that he doesn't need his eyes to hear/smell an enemy getting closer? That he can use his speed to get away from constructs?
Namor isn't Hal Jordan, even with a year of practice. Sure, the ring will help, but I find it hard to believe Superman can't overcome it, given what he's done on panel.
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
And Im not even saying thats an instant win. This is Supes fight to lose but people acting like there is no chance of him losing are being irrational and I hate to say it but a tad fanboyish/girlish.
Sure Namor has a chance to win. The question just becomes one of "who do you think is more likely to win".
I would say Superman.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Wow, I was done with this thread and then you go and make an intelligent, articulate, respectful post like this. Well, although the speed advantage is clear, the question with Superman is what would cause him to speed blitz early in the fight? The only way he would go all out with speed if if he perceives the threat to be so powerful that it is a threat to Superman and the rest of his cohorts, which would constitute a threat to society in general. Once Superman sees GL Namor, not only would he not see a Doomsday level opponent, he would see a member of a familiar galactic policing force, even if he does look like Black Adam's big brother :-) . A speed attack is very unlikely.Secondly, based on Namor's history and not just the scan, it is very likely he would redirect a microwave attack. Here is Namor opening up to take a repulsor ray blast and redirecting it with NO problem:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/102887/1991012-namor_d3.jpg
Then you have to factor in fact that it would be his will to redirect the attack and the GL power will play a huge role if needed.
I really don't see a clear advantage for Superman outside of extending the fight way out. On the other hand, Superman would have no reason to believe his Trident is magical. Namor could even disguise it with green energy to make it even more unsuspecting. Thanks for the response.
No problem.
This is kinda the problem you get when fighting speedsters (Flash is obv also a problem). Like you say, Superman isn't HVing from the get go. Probably wouldn't even be attacking first. But as soon as the BA-lookalike (my gf always gets them mixed up) starts wrapping constructs around Superman, he'd break out...and Namor would be thrusting himself towards him with the trident, screaming Imperius Rex.
So far, so conceivable?
Now, your next sequence of events, I assume, is that Superman attempts to tank the trident, not knowing what it is.
That assumes A: he can't detect any magic coming from the trident, B: that he's in a comic and is 'stupid' Superman, and C: as soon as the trident starts to pierce him, he doesn't move away from it using his superspeed.
In a comic, you're right, he'll probably stand his ground and puff his chest out.
In a forum fight, I believe he will dodge/block/whatever away from the trident, then size his foe up. Knowing he's at a disadvantage going close up, he goes to HV.
So you are telling me that Superman is so good, constructs would not even SLOW him down, and he would automatically detect Namor's trident is magical even if it was masked with GL energy and was one in a group of replicas? I don' t see Superman putting together these powers in this manner in "reality." If this was the case, Superman would have no competition in comics and this is not the case. Superman is less than the sum of his parts. Also, if you are going to argue high end for Superman, then HV would surelu be deflected by GL Namor per the examples given.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
So you are telling me that Superman is so good, constructs would not even SLOW him down, and he would automatically detect Namor's trident is magical even if it was masked with GL energy and was one in a group of replicas? I don' t see Superman putting together these powers in this manner in "reality." If this was the case, Superman would have no competition in comics and this is not the case. Superman is less than the sum of his parts. Also, if you are going to argue high end for Superman, then HV would surelu be deflected by GL Namor per the examples given.
Nobody said constructs wouldn't slow him down.
Superman would know the trident is magical because of having standard information about Namor. And even if it wasn't, how would GL energy mask magic?
Superman can see in different spectrums though, so no, a GL replica won't fool him.
I don't know who you're saying is arguing high end for Superman.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
So you are telling me that Superman is so good, constructs would not even SLOW him down, and he would automatically detect Namor's trident is magical even if it was masked with GL energy and was one in a group of replicas? I don' t see Superman putting together these powers in this manner in "reality." If this was the case, Superman would have no competition in comics and this is not the case. Superman is less than the sum of his parts. Also, if you are going to argue high end for Superman, then HV would surelu be deflected by GL Namor per the examples given.
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Aren't you giving Namor a lot of help?
Which is to say, why would he even think to mask it with GL energy/create replicas?
It's not like GLs have experience with this, or Namor is the type to employ subterfuge. As for putting these powers together in this manner, all I used was first strength (to break out) speed (to dodge) and then HV. Putting powers together in a weird combo would be freezing Namor to hold him in ice for a few seconds, vibrating his way out of any attack then HV from orbit or something silly like that. Or just using his speed to steal the ring from him - Batman did it to GL Hal, after all.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Nobody said constructs wouldn't slow him down.Superman would know the trident is magical because of having standard information about Namor. And even if it wasn't, how would GL energy mask magic?
Superman can see in different spectrums though, so no, a GL replica won't fool him.
I don't know who you're saying is arguing high end for Superman.
For starters you are. As is the case with super speed, he does not have powers like seeing in different spectrums "turned on." Even with super hearing, it was shown that he pauses to concentrate, leaving him momentarily vulnerable. What I am seeing from some posters is an atypical scenario in which he is utilizing all powers to the fullest, at the same time in real time. Like I said, if this was truly the case, a man with infinite strength and speed fast enough to exceed light would have NO competition. DC Hercules is one of countless opponents with FAR less speed that was able to strike him in the face and make him beed. Where was his fabled reaction time? The fact of the matter is that he does not use his powers and/or they fail him on a regular basis, yet in battle discussions, posters often make it a habit of stringing together his powers at there highest levels. I could make the argument based on using his power set in a certain manner that Superskrull would defeat Thor 100% of the time.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
....Aren't you giving Namor a lot of help?
Which is to say, why would he even think to mask it with GL energy/create replicas?
It's not like GLs have experience with this, or Namor is the type to employ subterfuge. As for putting these powers together in this manner, all I used was first strength (to break out) speed (to dodge) and then HV. Putting powers together in a weird combo would be freezing Namor to hold him in ice for a few seconds, vibrating his way out of any attack then HV from orbit or something silly like that. Or just using his speed to steal the ring from him - Batman did it to GL Hal, after all.
Simple, it would be a sound tactical strategy that I think one with the experience of Namor could come up with, not that he would have to.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Simple, it would be a sound tactical strategy that I think one with the experience of Namor could come up with, not that he would have to.
How would he know he needed to cloak the trident, or that it would be effective? And at the same time, his own weakness to heat is hidden from Supes, and Supes will not come up with a strategy?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
How would he know he needed to cloak the trident, or that it would be effective? And at the same time, his own weakness to heat is hidden from Supes, and Supes will not come up with a strategy?
How would he know the Trident would be effective? I really don't understand the premise of that question. His trident is his weapon that he's familiar with and he will try to use it. I don't think any other explanation is needed. Why would he not think it would be effective?
To answer your first question, if there is light double sided prep which is typical, I still don't think Superman would know the Trident is magical because Namor rarely uses it, but if he did, then obviously he would take measures to avoid it and Namor would formulate his strategy around trying to deliver a death blow with Trident. In this case, he would use constructs in a variety of ways to overcome Supermans defenses. Whoever is more successful in this area wins the fight.
