Namor vs Superman with a twist.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
For starters you are. As is the case with super speed, he does not have powers like seeing in different spectrums "turned on." Even with super hearing, it was shown that he pauses to concentrate, leaving him momentarily vulnerable. What I am seeing from some posters is an atypical scenario in which he is utilizing all powers to the fullest, at the same time in real time. Like I said, if this was truly the case, a man with infinite strength and speed fast enough to exceed light would have NO competition. DC Hercules is one of countless opponents with FAR less speed that was able to strike him in the face and make him beed. Where was his fabled reaction time? The fact of the matter is that he does not use his powers and/or they fail him on a regular basis, yet in battle discussions, posters often make it a habit of stringing together his powers at there highest levels. I could make the argument based on using his power set in a certain manner that Superskrull would defeat Thor 100% of the time.

I'm actually not. Superman can multi-task, as he has done in the past many times. He's not going to just stand there like some feeb and let Namor wail on him. Why would he?

It amuses me that you talk about people trying to put Superman in to the best light possible and not accounting for his vulnerabilities, when you're doing the exact same thing for Namor.

Supes has used his reactions and speed many times. You can't ignore them just because you don't like them. The reason he doesn't use them 100% of the time is so there is actually a comic to read. It would be pretty boring if he just stomped everything in a single panel.

Originally posted by emporerpants
The reason he doesn't use them 100% of the time is so there is actually a comic to read. It would be pretty boring if he just stomped everything in a single panel.

I believe I just said that. Regardless of the 5th wall explanation, overwhelmingly he does not use his powers at their highest levels all the time in the most effective sequences. The character is constantly dumbed way down in or to write a coherent story. Even his own company has blown up his comic book universe in part to depower him to workable levels.

Using his many senses to hear bullets across the world or look at different spectrums isn't using them at their highest levels, though.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
How would he know the Trident would be effective? I really don't understand the premise of that question. His trident is his weapon that he's familiar with and he will try to use it. I don't think any other explanation is needed. Why would he not think it would be effective?

To answer your first question, if there is light double sided prep which is typical, I still don't think Superman would know the Trident is magical because Namor rarely uses it, but if he did, then obviously he would take measures to avoid it and Namor would formulate his strategy around trying to deliver a death blow with Trident. In this case, he would use constructs in a variety of ways to overcome Supermans defenses. Whoever is more successful in this area wins the fight.

As in, how would he know Superman and magical weapons don't mix? Having practised for a year with his ring, wouldn't he be relying on that more, as opposed to the trident?

I guess it all boils down to how you think Superman fights, I guess. Namor will undoubtedly be more 'bloodlusted' than Superman, but I don't think he will resort to hiding his trident by masking it with his ring or creating multiple clones etc - subterfuge doesn't really seem Namor's strong point.

I guess I'm just clinging to the full capacity rule/no PIS rules here.

Superman isn't killing Namor. But weakening him/knocking him out? Well within the boundaries of belief. As for the times he's gone toe to toe with Savage Hulk....Hulk doesn't have Namor's Kryptonite in addition to his strength.

YouTube video

Namor stomps. Not even SuperPr can argue against it now that I posted his awesome theme song.

FFS.

I change my vote. All hail the Avenging Son!!!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
As in, how would he know Superman and magical weapons don't mix? Having practised for a year with his ring, wouldn't he be relying on that more, as opposed to the trident?

I guess it all boils down to how you think Superman fights, I guess. Namor will undoubtedly be more 'bloodlusted' than Superman, but I don't think he will resort to hiding his trident by masking it with his ring or creating multiple clones etc - subterfuge doesn't really seem Namor's strong point.

I guess I'm just clinging to the full capacity rule/no PIS rules here.

Superman isn't killing Namor. But weakening him/knocking him out? Well within the boundaries of belief. As for the times he's gone toe to toe with Savage Hulk....Hulk doesn't have Namor's Kryptonite in addition to his strength.

I'm saying there is no reason for Namor to NOT think his magical trident wouldn't cut Superman or anyone else. Superman's "weakness" to magic doesn't have to come into play.

If by Namor's kryponite you mean HV, I don't know what else to say. I have showed examples of him redirecting energy blasts and I have mentioned the GL protection too many times in this thread. If Superman has Namor's kryptonite, then this version of Namor has on a lead suit.

I was going to say Superman but then saw the Namor song.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I'm saying there is no reason for Namor to NOT think his magical trident wouldn't cut Superman or anyone else. Superman's "weakness" to magic doesn't have to come into play.

If by Namor's kryponite you mean HV, I don't know what else to say. I have showed examples of him redirecting energy blasts and I have mentioned the GL protection too many times in this thread. If Superman has Namor's kryptonite, then this version of Namor has on a lead suit.

I know you've shown the two instances. I am sure with Namor's long history, and Marvel's lack of retcons, that I'd be able to show more instances of heat affecting him, all of which would still be applicable to him (sans suit).

And I take your point about the protection given by the GL ring. But even Hal (who really is my go to guy in this) needs all of his focus and willpower just to throw up shields to slow Superman down.

You've got Namor doing constructs which will 'slow' Supes down. For that to occur, they'd have to be pretty strong, yes? That requires a lot of focus/concentration to maintain. I really don't think he'd be able to, even with practice, then be able to shield himself from superspeed punches/HV.

You might want to rethink that lead suit. Lead melts at 327 degrees C.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I know you've shown the two instances. I am sure with Namor's long history, and Marvel's lack of retcons, that I'd be able to show more instances of heat affecting him, all of which would still be applicable to him (sans suit).

And I take your point about the protection given by the GL ring. But even Hal (who really is my go to guy in this) needs all of his focus and willpower just to throw up shields to slow Superman down.

You've got Namor doing constructs which will 'slow' Supes down. For that to occur, they'd have to be pretty strong, yes? That requires a lot of focus/concentration to maintain. I really don't think he'd be able to, even with practice, then be able to shield himself from superspeed punches/HV.

You might want to rethink that lead suit. Lead melts at 327 degrees C.

Okay, I will address your points, but I have start with your reply to the lead suit. It was an anaolgy! :-) Please read it
again and you will get it.

As far as Hal needing to concentrate, I don't believe his mind/ willpower feats without the ring come close to Namor's. Namor would be incredible with a GL ring not because of skill and experience, but because of the strength of his mind and his willpower.

Also, Namor would benefit from the added protection of the ring, but unlike Hal, he does not need for it to protect him fully as he is litterly millions of times more durable than Hal to begin with. Look at what the ring did for Sodom Yat.

Finally, two examples of Namor redirecting energy attacks were offered as evidence, one older one newer. There are many more examples, however, this is not a respect thread. The point is he can and does deflect/redirect energy attacks of all sorts. I believe that with the added protection offered by the GL ring that protects wielders from the rigors of space, will be more than enough protection against Supermans heat ray vision.