Re: Sage Mode Naruto -Vs- Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan
Originally posted by Saiyan SageYouTube video
Who will win in a fight to death?
I think SM Naruto will win sence Gohan takes 5 min to charge his lazors lol
Whaaaaaaaaaaatttt???????? Are you retarded? A single ki blast from Vegeta in base during the saiyan saga blows up the planet. Even Jyuubito can't destroy the Earth at full power. He is as strong as the sage of six paths, so the strongest character in Naruto is merely a continent buster. Raditz was faster than light, and the fastest character in Naruto can only go light speed by using Hiraishin. Raditz solos the entire Naruto-verse, and btw, obvious troll is obvious.
A single ki blast from Vegeta in base during the saiyan saga blows up the planet.
To be fair, that was filler.
Still, Freiza can certainly blow up planets, and is nothing to a SSJ2.
Raditz was faster than light,
And that's just a bad dub line, he's definitely not... still, they are definitely crazy fast, much faster than Naruto.
@ Q99: If I wanted to be an *******, I could argue that kid Goku was faster than light, because he grabbed Roshi's sunglasses as Tien used Solar flare, so he wouldn't be affected. Solar Flare is a technique that only uses light, and in the Daizenshuu is described as "A technique that allows the user to shoot pure light.", meaning it would be light speed, and kid Goku would be faster than light for dodging it. There are three DB/DBZ canon versions to go by though, English dub, Japanese dub, and Manga. Going by either of the three besides Japanese dub, Raditz WAS light speed.
Sure it was a filler, but even Roshi blew up the moon with a power level of 139. That's approximately a quarter of the Earth. Anyone four times stronger than Roshi is a planet buster. When Gohan went on a great ape rampage, Piccolo said he would destroy Earth before the Saiyans even got there. Then, Piccolo proceeded to destroy the moon with a simple ki blast that took two seconds to shoot off Earth and destroy the moon. Some would argue that the time frame is inaccurate, but the Daizenshuu says the Special beam canon was faster than light, hints the name "Light of Death", which was a bit faster than Piccolo's ki blast that destroyed the moon.
DBZ is inconsistent with destruction feats, but they condense their attacks to increase the damage and avoid destroying the ****ing galaxy on accident. Even the villains condense their attacks so they don't destroy the planet, so that they do more damage, like Frieza and his death beam.
@ Q99: If I wanted to be an *******, I could argue that kid Goku was faster than light, because he grabbed Roshi's sunglasses as Tien used Solar flare, so he wouldn't be affected. Solar Flare is a technique that only uses light, and in the Daizenshuu is described as "A technique that allows the user to shoot pure light.", meaning it would be light speed, and kid Goku would be faster than light for dodging it.
Nope.
If I see someone reaching for a light switch so I grab some sunglasses, that means I'm faster than their arm, not the light itself. Goku was just faster than the technique, not the light.
Well, Tien did do an attack that was describes as light speed.
Originally posted by carver9
Well, Tien did do an attack that was describes as light speed.
As did Haku.
@ Demonic Phoenix: LOL, English dubbing error, unless you want to argue that Haku's kekkei genkei is as fast as the yellow flash jutsu, making him faster than anyone in Naruto besides Minato and Naruto himself. Even hiraishin was said to be on par with the speed of light, so unless you're going to argue that Haku could blitz Madara and Obito at the same time, I suggest you stop making yourself look like a dumb ass like you did on that other thread.
@ Q99: Okay, but he already used the technique and the light was clearly traveling around the arena before Goku moved. Not to mention that Tien could punch faster than light back then, with a power level of about 100-150. Raditz was 1,000. Power level gauges ki reservoirs which are used to amplify physical and mental abilities. If Raditz had ten times the ki Tien did, he can move ten times light speed.
Frieza in final form is inconceivably faster than light. Goku in SSJG is able to move SEXTILLIONS of times above light speed WITHOUT using instant transmission, which bypasses time completely. If you see someone flip a switch, and grab the sunglasses before the energy in the tungsten lights up and emanates, then yes, you ARE faster than light. You're also FTL if you dodge punches that move outward faster than light would, like kid Goku did.
@ Q99: Okay, but he already used the technique and the light was clearly traveling around the arena before Goku moved.
Then that is a clear example of the artist not getting how light works and/or definitively demonstrating that light moves much, much slower in that universe than ours.
We regularly see them take time to travel distances. Ergo, nothing like our lightspeed.
Frieza in final form is inconceivably faster than light.
Nope, he's massively slower in terms of his speed moving one place to another... . unless their light is very slow compared to ours, in which case, sure, why not?
Light does not move instantly. Instant transmission does, but light does not. It moves very fast from our perception, but not instantly. DBZ is shown from the point of view of the characters. They are able to perceive faster things than they can move to a certain extent. When it showed the people watching the TV fight of Goku and Cell, they saw nothing but random explosions unless the characters were stationary for elongated periods. When Vegeta watched Goku fight Frieza, he saw the same thing, even though he was able to perceive people move that were incredibly faster than light, and move at MTFL himself. However, later, you could see the individual actions they both went through. This is because DBZ is showed through MANY different perspectives, to give you a better view of the raw power of the characters.
Why do you think that in the five minutes it took Namek to blow up, Goku had the time to fight Frieza for about 10 episodes, talk to Vegeta briefly, fake dying, hide to get a vantage point, let Gohan fight Frieza briefly, tell him to leave Namek, continue fighting Frieza for 5 or 6 episodes, get him cut in half, deliver a speech, give him energy, kill him after another speech, and STILL fly around the planet several times to find a spaceship to escape the explosion? They showed the fight from Goku's or Frieza's perspective to prolong the fight.
In Dragon Ball, Master Roshi and Krillin fought, spit on eachother, played rock-paper-scissors, fight some more, take a break and go back to the starting point in 1/5th of a second. Look it up in the manga, when Roshi called himself Jackie Chun and fought Krillin in their first tournament. It showed the whole thing from the announcers perspective, to show the shock when they described what happened.
Light travels outwards in all directions, and Goku moved FASTER than the light moved, to get from one place, to another and back, in the time it took for light to get from one place to another in a much shorter distance. Not to mention that Korin said using Zanzouken requires you to be able to move faster than light.
Light does not move instantly.
Compared to the speed characters have been shown moving at going from place to place? It might as well.
Remember when Gotenks circles the earth very quickly? And it's supposed to be impressive? That is very slow compared to light.
Also it's physically impossible to simply accelerate mass to or past light speed (not that fiction necessarily pays attention to that, but if one can accept acceleration past light, then it's even easier to accept slow light).
In Dragon Ball, Master Roshi and Krillin fought, spit on eachother, played rock-paper-scissors, fight some more, take a break and go back to the starting point in 1/5th of a second.
I really don't think you get how fast light.
Did I not just explain that it SHOWS DBZ in different perspectives to make things like fights last longer? Even Akira Toriyama explained that Whiss's flight speed that flew across HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of galaxies in 22 minutes is as fast as Bill's combat speed, which SSJG Goku fought on par with. Light is over 186,000 miles per second, I understand that. However, when a character BLATANTLY states that they are faster or their move is faster, knowing their opponents limits, they DO have a reason.
Akira Toriyama said once, that Goku flew the entire distance of Namek's(which is ten times larger than Earth), radius fast enough to stop Frieza from stabbing his hand through Vegeta's heart when he was already holding him and getting ready to when Goku took off. Frieza was only using 1% of his power, but he was still at least a few thousand times faster than light. I can provide the calculations if you want, but I'm going to bed now, so it'll have to wait until tomorrow... or at least until I wake up.
Also, I don't have a clue of what you meant by "I really don't think you get how fast light.", so... yeah.
Did I not just explain that it SHOWS DBZ in different perspectives to make things like fights last longer?
Yea, and even with that, we have plenty of actions where actual time is given, human characters have time to do stuff in between. Stuff like yoinking glasses from the other side of the planet is *only* quick with instant transmission... when an actual lightspeed person would be able to do it much, much faster than Goku did.
The only explanation that makes sense if you take those action as canon-slower-than-light is 'slow light'. Because light is waaaaay faster than that.
