Okay, you clearly don't understand what I'm trying to say. Goku as a kid with a power level of 100-150 was able to dodge light speed punches, proving that he can perceive and move FASTER than light. With instant transmission, he went completely trough people's guards, who are literally QUADRILLIONS of times stronger, faster and perceptive than he was as a child, and instantly traveled from one place to another with no lapse of time. Goku IS "actual" lightspeed. Akira Toriyama wouldn't have said "light speed", if he didn't mean it. You're being completely brainless and close-minded. You're just upset because DBZ shits on almost any other anime/manga, and 90% of other fiction. I like DBZ, but I like many other series more, like Naruto, Bleach, Hirguashi(even though it's not a fighting anime), and many others, but I can ADMIT that DBZ eats them all for breakfast before taking it's morning shit.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta@ SSJGGogeta: LOL, English dubbing error, unless you want to argue that Raditz's speed is as fast as the Instant Transmission, making him faster than anyone in DBZ besides Goku himself. Even Instant Transmission was said to be on par with the speed of light, so unless you're going to argue that Raditz could blitz Buu and Cell at the same time, I suggest you stop making yourself look like a dumb ass like you did on that other thread.
@ Demonic Phoenix: LOL, English dubbing error, unless you want to argue that Haku's kekkei genkei is as fast as the yellow flash jutsu, making him faster than anyone in Naruto besides Minato and Naruto himself. Even hiraishin was said to be on par with the speed of light, so unless you're going to argue that Haku could blitz Madara and Obito at the same time, I suggest you stop making yourself look like a dumb ass like you did on that other thread.
@ Demonic Phoenix: LOL, English dubbing error, instant transmission was said to be light speed in only the english dub, the same one that said Raditz was light speed, lol. The Daizenshuu, or DBZ official encyclopedia, explains Instant Transmission as instantaneous, bypassing time itself. I guess all that you can argue about at all is flawed english dubs. You didn't even argue about anything I said about Haku, so I'm assuming since you go by the english dub, you still believe him to be able to blitz Pain, Raikage, Madara, Jyuubito, etc. It's too late, you've already made yourself look stupid again.
@ BloodRain: Uh, Goku ran at 100m/s when he was seven and didn't even know how to use ki, before he was trained by Roshi even. Goku conserved energy while running snake way, because the first time, he wasn't accustomed to flying and accidentally used most of his ki at once, and the second time because he didn't know how many senzu beans Korin would have and didn't want to arrive to fight the Saiyans without any ki, because he would have been as useless as Piccolo.
What about Frieza? The same Frieza who flew from one side of the planet ten times bigger than Earth, to the other in less time than it took for Dende to utter two sentences, in his 1st form? The same Frieza who blew up planet Vegeta and killed BILLIONS of light speed flying, superhumans with a wave of his finger in his 1st form? Frieza would EASILY solo the Naruto universe. Shit, Piccolo Jr. when fighting Goku would just as easily.
As sacred108 said, you guys haven't proven me wrong ONCE, so I don't know why you're claiming me to be foolish.
@ sacred108: Thank you kind sir. Plus, yes, basically everyone in DBZ and a lot of DB characters that fight are faster than light. They show DB and DBZ from different perspectives so you don't just see characters vanishing and random explosions, then someones dead body on the ground after 2 seconds.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta@ SSJGGogeta: LOL, The Naruto Databook, or Naruto official encyclopedia, explains Haku's jutsu as lightspeed, and says Sasuke is faster than Haku. I guess all that you can argue about at all is your fantasy bullshit. You didn't even argue about anything anyone has said about Raditz, so I'm assuming since you go by your fantasy bullshit, you still believe him to be able to blitz Freeza, Cell, Buu, Bills, etc. It's too late, you've already made yourself look stupid again.
@ Demonic Phoenix: LOL, English dubbing error, instant transmission was said to be light speed in only the english dub, the same one that said Raditz was light speed, lol. The Daizenshuu, or DBZ official encyclopedia, explains Instant Transmission as instantaneous, bypassing time itself. I guess all that you can argue about at all is flawed english dubs. You didn't even argue about anything I said about Haku, so I'm assuming since you go by the english dub, you still believe him to be able to blitz Pain, Raikage, Madara, Jyuubito, etc. It's too late, you've already made yourself look stupid again.
DBZ flight speed wasn't that great but their combat speed was multiples of times faster. Also, lasers is blinding to the necked eye. Frieza was shooting blast that was unseen by super human eyes. Vegeta was able to perceive these said blasts and react to it. Goku was slapping these same attacks out of the air with one hand.
Lasers is FTL.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Their 100m/s running says no. Snake Way says no, twice. Freeza on Namek says no. Tagged by attacks normal humans see says no. Etc etc.
Are you rest making this argument? Using this, 99% of the characters that you claim goes light speed would be thrown out of the window. Batman has slapped Flash, someone you've argued for in the past.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Sure it was a filler, but even Roshi blew up the moon with a power level of 139.
I did the math (real math*...not the atrocious bullshit you see on OBD) and the earth is ~82 times more massive than the earth. I have no idea where the **** you got 1/4.
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Spoiler:
No one tell him I just did simple division on a calculator.
Originally posted by carver9
...necked...
HA! Necked...just how I like yo mamma! 313
dadudemon: the 80s called. They want their jokes back.
PWNED!
Originally posted by carver9
DBZ flight speed wasn't that great but their combat speed was multiples of times faster. Also, lasers is blinding to the necked eye. Frieza was shooting blast that was unseen by super human eyes. Vegeta was able to perceive these said blasts and react to it. Goku was slapping these same attacks out of the air with one hand.Lasers is FTL.
1) Lasers aren't FTL.
2) Freeza's attacks are never shown to be FTL.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I did the math (real math*...not the atrocious bullshit you see on OBD) and the earth is ~82 times more massive than the earth. I have no idea where the **** you got 1/4.*
Spoiler:
No one tell him I just did simple division on a calculator.
It's obvious. The numbers he gives have been pulled from his ass.
Spoiler:
I'd say he thinks the Moon is 1/4 the size of the Earth because its radius, diameter & circumference (mostly circumference) are around 1/4 that of the Earth's. 2 dimensional thinking much?
What are you supposed to make of time dilation effects?
Like broken glass seemingly hanging in mid air, or droplets of water taking what looks like five minutes to fall? (On the extreme example end, Cyborg 001 being stuck in super speed mode for about a week or two, and the world frozen around him?)
What sort of speed does it take to have minimal effects, and can extreme effects happen at sub light?
For a dbz specific example:
End of dragon ball/pre z while fighting Piccolo, Goku seems to vanish from sight in the middle of the ring, to not only the crowd and Roshi/Krillin, but Kami (Closest to Piccolo before Goku) as well.
This isn't Kenshin passing someone faster then they can follow, but vanishing in a centralized location, in front of a crowd.
What does it represent in terms of speed?
@ Demonic Phoenix: The only thing that describes Haku's jutsu as light speed is the Naruto wiki, which is written by ignorant fan-tards such as yourself. The Naruto databook doesn't say anywhere in it that Haku was lightspeed, and in fact states that Hiraishin is the fastest jutsu in the series by far, as it allows ninja to move at the speed of light.
Still, you completely ignored what I said. The Yellow flash jutsu is lightspeed. It has been used to easily dodge characters like Jyuubito, Raikage and other speed houses in the series. Going by poor dubline, I guess that 9 tails chakra mode PTS Naruto could easily speed-blitz Jyuubito, Raikage and everyone else that has been ROFL-blitzed by Hiraishin. Unless you want to argue that Naruto to be faster than current Naruto, Minato, Jyuubito, etc.(but I know how stupid you have proven to be in the past, so it wouldn't surprise me), your argument just completely collapsed in on itself.
Who said anything about Raditz that I haven't disproven or debunked yet? Kid Goku was faster than light, and Raditz speed blitzed a stronger version of Goku AND Piccolo, who was nearly his equal in speed and power. Raditz was FAR faster than light, about 6-8 times faster in fact, going by the fact that Raditz had a power level of 1,000-1,200, and Kid Goku was LS-FTL at a power level of at most 150.
I find it hilarious that you have the audacity to call me stupid, when you're the one who's been using a broken dub in all of your arguments. Not to mention the fact that you've still COMPLETELY ignored anything I said about Kid Goku being light speed, while simply arguing that "Raditz wasn't FTL, fail dub.", while I haven't even said anything about Raditz! I've based my entire argument on Kid Goku being LS-FTL, and haven't said anything about Raditz's speed until now. Since Kid Goku was LS-FTL, and Raditz was 6-8 times stronger/faster than him, unless we go by your logic saying that weak, slow people are somehow faster than strong, fast people, Raditz IS 6-8 times FTL AT LEAST.
Again, it's too late. Everyone on here now knows you're a dumb ass.
@ dadudemon: Excuse me? When did I say anything about mass? The moon has a diameter of 3,474 km, and the Earth has a diameter of 12,800 km, so, the Earth is 3.68 times bigger than the moon, i.e. "The moon is about 1/4th the size of the Earth.". Make sense now? By the way, you must be pretty stupid to have to make a counter argument about an argument that doesn't exist. I never said anything about mass stupid, I said the moon is 1/4 the size of Earth. Learn the difference, go back to 1st grade.
So... yeah. You guys are stupid as ****.