@ Demonic Phoenix: Again, how does Haku saying transport prove he's light speed? A car provides transportation, and I am being transported by riding in it, so I guess I am light speed, aren't I? Again, you've completely ignored the scans I've posted. Goku STATES that his move lets him move INSTANTLY, nowhere is it said to be light speed, lol. The definition of the word "transport", is "To carry or convey from one place to another.", not "Moving at light speed because I'm a Naruto fan-tard.". It would be different if Haku said it teleports him, but he didn't.
What the **** are you talking about? When did I ever claim light speed to bypass time itself? You're the only who made that claim, when you said that Instant transmission was light speed, when I just sent a scan PROVING it was instantaneous. Now since I know you think it's funny and clever to repeat the style of typing I use, I just want to add that you have literally debunked NONE of what I've typed. I have already destroyed your entire argument, yet you continue like you're accomplishing something. You can speculate Haku to be light speed, but you would have to be a dumb ass to do so, as 12 year old Naruto easily out sped him, and 17 year old Naruto, the fastest character in Naruto, can only go lightspeed, and can only accomplish the feat with a jutsu.
I know you're going to do the same thing again, and say instant transmission is light speed, and so is Haku(even though Yellow flash jutsu is also light speed), so get it over with. I'm tired of beating a dead horse, so just stop embarrassing yourself already.
@ dadudemon: Nice try at the superiority argument. It almost had some feasibility until you claimed size to be 2nd dimensional. Length, Width and Height all compose 3rd dimensional objects, idiot. No one argued anything about density on this entire forum except you. In DBZ, destroying planets and other celestial objects is a matter of size, not a matter of density, as proven by Supreme kai saying that destroying objects of size was easy, when the hardest metal in the universe was materialized by him when testing the Z-sword.
There doesn't have to be any specific science to it, just simple mathematical equations regarding size. DBZ characters move faster than light on a casual basis, bypass time itself, and destroy planets like they're pebbles. Science obviously doesn't apply to DBZ, lol. In real life, matter cannot be accelerated to the speed of light no matter what, time effects everything in the universe and exists everywhere, and planets are only destroyed by things like Supernova's, black holes, etc. DBZ is FICTION, idiot, let me repeat, FICTION.
Do you see Superman explaining the density of the asteroids he blew away when he sneezed, and how much force was required to do so, when he did? No, lol. You have no idea what Akira Toriyama was thinking when he made DBZ characters blow up planets, and since it obviously had nothing to do with science, you're an idiot for trying to apply scientific facts to a FICTION, one more time, FICTION, series. There is nothing about science and gravity and density, and other things in real life, in DBZ in regards to planet busting. It's very sad that you have to act as though fiction series are real life though, it makes me feel very sorry for you.
Also, that little metaphor you posted was really cute, but I gotta point out a few flaws. If I was drowning and stopped drowning, why would you assume I could suddenly breathe oxygen? I would have only been drowning if I could breathe oxygen in the first place. I could have very well died instead also. Or simply evolved into an aquatic life form... Hopefully a dolphin... Also, why did you capitalize the word knowledge? Maybe I'M the superiorly intelligent life-form here, because at least I know how to properly use the English language when I must. Also, you saying "It will take you many years to be able to reach my level, much less tread water.", implies that you can't even keep yourself upright in the sea of ignorance, yet you claim to be on a superior intellectual plane, when you yourself haven't even "Taken your first breath of oxygen", which by what you claimed, I already have. Not to mention the fact that I'm typing this on a computer, and using proper English, which is something that an aquatic creature is *currently* incapable of accomplishing.
Again though, your delusional, pitiful 1st grade excuse for a metaphor was really cute. I just hope you come up with another miraculously incomprehensibly intelligent argument of science when in regards to a FICTION series, so I can embarrass your "intelligence" again, lol.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
@ dadudemon: Nice try at the superiority argument. It almost had some feasibility until you claimed size to be 2nd dimensional. Length, Width and Height all compose 3rd dimensional objects, idiot.
Whew! It's a good thing that you said "diameter" and made no other clarification.
Here's what you said because you seem to have forgotten:
Originally posted by the incredible adamant but incredibly ignorant SSJGGogeta
The moon has a diameter of 3,474 km, and the Earth has a diameter of 12,800 km, so, the Earth is 3.68 times bigger than the moon, i.e. "The moon is about 1/4th the size of the Earth." Make sense now?"
Hint: two-dimensional objects have diameters. lol
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
No one argued anything about density on this entire forum except you.
That's because I just so happen to be educated and smart n'stuff. Unlike you who has an understanding of physics that may very well rival a 7 year old.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
@ Demonic Phoenix: Again, how does Haku saying transport prove he's light speed? A car provides transportation, and I am being transported by riding in it, so I guess I am light speed, aren't I? Again, you've completely ignored the scans I've posted. Goku STATES that his move lets him move INSTANTLY, nowhere is it said to be light speed, lol. The definition of the word "transport", is "To carry or convey from one place to another.", not "Moving at light speed because I'm a Naruto fan-tard.". It would be different if Haku said it teleports him, but he didn't.What the **** are you talking about? When did I ever claim light speed to bypass time itself? You're the only who made that claim, when you said that Instant transmission was light speed, when I just sent a scan PROVING it was instantaneous. Now since I know you think it's funny and clever to repeat the style of typing I use, I just want to add that you have literally debunked NONE of what I've typed. I have already destroyed your entire argument, yet you continue like you're accomplishing something. You can speculate Haku to be light speed, but you would have to be a dumb ass to do so, as 12 year old Naruto easily out sped him, and 17 year old Naruto, the fastest character in Naruto, can only go lightspeed, and can only accomplish the feat with a jutsu.
I know you're going to do the same thing again, and say instant transmission is light speed, and so is Haku(even though Yellow flash jutsu is also light speed), so get it over with. I'm tired of beating a dead horse, so just stop embarrassing yourself already.
@ SSJGGogeta: Again, how does Kid Goku grabbing sunglasses prove he's light speed? I grab sunglasses everyday, so I guess I am light speed, aren't I? Again, you've completely ignored the scans I've posted. Haku STATES that his move lets him move via the reflection, and it is said to be light speed, lol. The definition of the word "sunglasses", is "protect the eyes from the sun", not "moving faster than light because I'm a DB fan-tard.". It would be different if Kid Goku said he was faster than light, but he didn't.
What the **** are you talking about? When did I ever claim light speed to bypass time itself? You're the only who made that claim, when you said that Kid Goku was light speed, when I just sent a scan PROVING that it was not light speed. Now since I know you think it's funny and clever to repeat the style of typing I use, I just want to add that you have literally debunked NONE of what I've typed. I have already destroyed your entire argument, yet you continue like you're accomplishing something. You can speculate Kid Goku to be light speed, but you would have to be a dumb ass to do so, as Tien easily out sped him, and Vegitto, the fastest character in Naruto, cannot go faster than lightspeed, and can only accomplish the feat with a technique.
I know you're going to do the same thing again, and say Raditz is light speed, and so is Goku (even though Instant Transmission is also light speed), so get it over with. I'm tired of beating a dead horse, so just stop embarrassing yourself already.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Well played old chap.
hat
I've used his posts for my 'arguments' against him in the whole thread. There's little point in properly conversing with a troglodyte.
Originally posted by dadudemon
That's because I just so happen to be educated and smart n'stuff. Unlike you who has an understanding of physics that may very well rival a 7 year old.
My 6 year old cousin grasps logic & physics far better than he does.
@ dadudemon: Yeah, but it seems like you've also forgotten that 3 dimensional objects ALSO have diameters. lol. In fact, the only objects that have diameters are circles, disks and spheres... one of those happens to be the rough shape of the Earth, and to a lesser extent(because it's more egg shaped than Earth), the moon, which happens to be what I was stating, when you claimed size and diameter to be two dimensional.
Judging by all this, I have a MUCH better understanding of physics than you do. If I am a seven year old human in terms of intellectual prowess, then you are a squirming plebeian rodent scavenging for crumbs of knowledge, while foolishly taking up a debate against a being who is unfathomably above you in the mentality food chain. So much for your "being educated and smart n'stuff.". Thanks, you've made my day a little better by making me look like a genius in comparison to your third grade flawed understanding of logic, physics, and the universe in general... n'stuff.
@ Demonic Phoenix: Where is it said to be light speed? Again, transportation has nothing to do with light speed. No one except you Naruto fantard idiots has said it to be light speed. Again, you may grab sunglasses every day, but do you do it to LITERALLY DODGE light itself? No. I am transported by my car every day, and since Haku gave no indication of speed, he is no faster than he can be transported, which CANNOT be light speed, because he is VERY SLOW compared to other Naruto characters, who are roflblitzed by Hiraishin, which IS light speed. Purchase the Naruto databook. It says Hiraishin teleports the user at the speed of light, making the movement seem like a yellow flash, as it literally transports the user as a mass of light. Goku said he can move instantaneously with instant transmission, which is also proved in the Daizenshuu volume 7. I sent you the scans. I don't even know why you're still replying, all you're doing is speculating that transportation MUST move at light speed, even though the fastest jutsu in Naruto only moves at light speed, and denying the proof that I gave. Goku dodged light itself, meaning that at least at close range, he is faster than light(as a child). Haku says he can be transported by mirrors, and you assume it to be light speed, when Naruto as a twelve year old could see him moving? You're a retard. That's all there is to it.
You claimed light speed to be instantaneous when you typed, and I quote, "The only thing that describes Goku's technique as light speed is the dub, which is misinterpreted by ignorant fan-tards such as yourself. The DBZ databook doesn't say anywhere in it that Goku was lightspeed, and in fact states that Instant Transmission is the fastest technique in the series by far, as it allows people to move at the speed of light.". You contradicted yourself in two sentences. First, you say Goku's technique is not light speed, and call me an ignorant fan-tard when you're the one going by the dub, then, you say that it's "the fastest technique in the series by far, as it allows people to move at light speed". You don't even know what you're debating. In the cannon manga, Goku states instant transmission is instantaneous. Therefore, it is. If Haku said he could move at light speed, he would be light speed, but he didn't. Stop making shit up.
Goku dodged light as it was racing towards him, as stated in the Daizenshuu and witnessed in the manga. Kid Goku was obviously faster than light. Another example is when fighting the red ribbon army, he dodged a beam of condensed photons. PHOTONS MOVE AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Vegetto is not a character in Naruto, so... wtf. However, Vegetto was fast enough to easily blitz Super Buuhan, who was faster than SSJ3 Goku, who was faster than Buu saga base Goku, who was TRILLIONS of times faster and stronger than Kid Goku, who dodged light. I.e. Vegetto is FAR FASTER THAN LIGHT SPEED BY OVER TRILLIONS OF TIMES AT LEAST.
You are an obvious troll, and everyone here already knows you've painfully lost this sad excuse for a "debate", so just quit while you have a shred of dignity left. I already posted the scan where Goku states instant transmission is instantaneous, so what else can you argue? Haku never said he was light speed, and has no feats claiming so, so you're a retard. Goku dodged light as a child. He's light speed as a child. Get over it.
You have the audacity to call me a caveman, when you're the one claiming transportation to be light speed. You're arguments have been something I would expect from a 7 year old. If your 6 year old cousin has a better understanding of logic and physics then I do, then he laughs at your helpless ignorance, and is the most knowledgable 6 year old on the planet. Honestly, you make "dadudemon", look like Steven Hawking. Please, try to come up with any kind of feasible argument, because their literally CANNOT be one made with any kind of sense here.
@ Boss16: Alas, there are sadly. They claim Haku to be light speed and Naruto to be a stronger than Goku... They also claim instant transmission to be slower than light, when I showed a scan where it was stated to be instantaneous...
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
@ dadudemon: Yeah, but it seems like you've also forgotten that 3 dimensional objects ALSO have diameters. lol. In fact, the only objects that have diameters are circles, disks and spheres... one of those happens to be the rough shape of the Earth, and to a lesser extent(because it's more egg shaped than Earth), the moon, which happens to be what I was stating, when you claimed size and diameter to be two dimensional.Judging by all this, I have a MUCH better understanding of physics than you do. If I am a seven year old human in terms of intellectual prowess, then you are a squirming plebeian rodent scavenging for crumbs of knowledge, while foolishly taking up a debate against a being who is unfathomably above you in the mentality food chain. So much for your "being educated and smart n'stuff.". Thanks, you've made my day a little better by making me look like a genius in comparison to your third grade flawed understanding of logic, physics, and the universe in general... n'stuff.
@ Demonic Phoenix: Where is it said to be light speed? Again, transportation has nothing to do with light speed. No one except you Naruto fantard idiots has said it to be light speed. Again, you may grab sunglasses every day, but do you do it to LITERALLY DODGE light itself? No. I am transported by my car every day, and since Haku gave no indication of speed, he is no faster than he can be transported, which CANNOT be light speed, because he is VERY SLOW compared to other Naruto characters, who are roflblitzed by Hiraishin, which IS light speed. Purchase the Naruto databook. It says Hiraishin teleports the user at the speed of light, making the movement seem like a yellow flash, as it literally transports the user as a mass of light. Goku said he can move instantaneously with instant transmission, which is also proved in the Daizenshuu volume 7. I sent you the scans. I don't even know why you're still replying, all you're doing is speculating that transportation MUST move at light speed, even though the fastest jutsu in Naruto only moves at light speed, and denying the proof that I gave. Goku dodged light itself, meaning that at least at close range, he is faster than light(as a child). Haku says he can be transported by mirrors, and you assume it to be light speed, when Naruto as a twelve year old could see him moving? You're a retard. That's all there is to it.
You claimed light speed to be instantaneous when you typed, and I quote, "The only thing that describes Goku's technique as light speed is the dub, which is misinterpreted by ignorant fan-tards such as yourself. The DBZ databook doesn't say anywhere in it that Goku was lightspeed, and in fact states that Instant Transmission is the fastest technique in the series by far, as it allows people to move at the speed of light.". You contradicted yourself in two sentences. First, you say Goku's technique is not light speed, and call me an ignorant fan-tard when you're the one going by the dub, then, you say that it's "the fastest technique in the series by far, as it allows people to move at light speed". You don't even know what you're debating. In the cannon manga, Goku states instant transmission is instantaneous. Therefore, it is. If Haku said he could move at light speed, he would be light speed, but he didn't. Stop making shit up.
Goku dodged light as it was racing towards him, as stated in the Daizenshuu and witnessed in the manga. Kid Goku was obviously faster than light. Another example is when fighting the red ribbon army, he dodged a beam of condensed photons. PHOTONS MOVE AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Vegetto is not a character in Naruto, so... wtf. However, Vegetto was fast enough to easily blitz Super Buuhan, who was faster than SSJ3 Goku, who was faster than Buu saga base Goku, who was TRILLIONS of times faster and stronger than Kid Goku, who dodged light. I.e. Vegetto is FAR FASTER THAN LIGHT SPEED BY OVER TRILLIONS OF TIMES AT LEAST.
You are an obvious troll, and everyone here already knows you've painfully lost this sad excuse for a "debate", so just quit while you have a shred of dignity left. I already posted the scan where Goku states instant transmission is instantaneous, so what else can you argue? Haku never said he was light speed, and has no feats claiming so, so you're a retard. Goku dodged light as a child. He's light speed as a child. Get over it.
You have the audacity to call me a caveman, when you're the one claiming transportation to be light speed. You're arguments have been something I would expect from a 7 year old. If your 6 year old cousin has a better understanding of logic and physics then I do, then he laughs at your helpless ignorance, and is the most knowledgable 6 year old on the planet. Honestly, you make "dadudemon", look like Steven Hawking. Please, try to come up with any kind of feasible argument, because their literally CANNOT be one made with any kind of sense here.
@ Boss16: Alas, there are sadly. They claim Haku to be light speed and Naruto to be a stronger than Goku... They also claim instant transmission to be slower than light, when I showed a scan where it was stated to be instantaneous...
I have finally found my soul mate
It's painfully obvious already. He's a simple troll. Nothing more, nothing less. If you know something about what DP's doing that I don't, then please enlighten me. It's getting pretty frustrating to teach an idiot on a forum sight the difference between simple transportation, the speed of light and the speed of time itself.
Also, I'd like to point out that this thread is in violation of the anime/manga versus forum rules. They clearly state that you're not allowed to make a thread that has an obvious winner. Gohan obviously erases Naruto's planet with a flick of his wrist. This might as well be Karin Kurosaki vs. PC Superman.