Sage Mode Naruto -Vs- Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
@ BloodRain: Uh, Goku ran at 100m/s when he was seven and didn't even know how to use ki, before he was trained by Roshi even. Goku conserved energy while running snake way, because the first time, he wasn't accustomed to flying and accidentally used most of his ki at once, and the second time because he didn't know how many senzu beans Korin would have and didn't want to arrive to fight the Saiyans without any ki, because he would have been as useless as Piccolo.

What about Frieza? The same Frieza who flew from one side of the planet ten times bigger than Earth, to the other in less time than it took for Dende to utter two sentences, in his 1st form? The same Frieza who blew up planet Vegeta and killed BILLIONS of light speed flying, superhumans with a wave of his finger in his 1st form? Frieza would EASILY solo the Naruto universe. Shit, Piccolo Jr. when fighting Goku would just as easily.

This sure looks like half a planet away The same Freeza in his final form saw the dragon a dozen miles away and failed to rush over there before Dende starts chatting to it. And by your powerscaling he's meant to be what, 800,000xFTL?

I guess Chichi would be almost lightspeed too?

TNJ

Nitpicking...just straight up nitpicking fts. Ill post a scan of Flash, Superman, Silver Surfer, Gladiator, and Northstar flying somewhere in a hurry but failing to do so. One sec.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Actually Goku ran just under 12m/s. He didn't get ki training from Roshi. Lol what? Do you know how fast light is? If Goku was light speed he could cover Snake way in 3 seconds. Well, that'd be kid Goku. By your scaling Goku going there should be 3xFTL able to do it in 1 second, going back he'd apparently be 33xFTL making it past Snake Way in 0.1 seconds.. Instead it took him around 2 days. That is less than 0.00006% of his 'FTL' speed.

This sure looks like half a planet away The same Freeza in his final form saw the dragon a dozen miles away and failed to rush over there before Dende starts chatting to it. And by your powerscaling he's meant to be what, 800,000xFTL?

I guess Chichi would be almost lightspeed too?

I'm going to use every character you've debated against me in the past.

Please explain. You've argued with me that Superman can combat at light speed (I no-longer want to argue this topic; I just want you to see how reta... I mean, 'crazy' your thoughts is on the subject.

Faster than light cards?

I'm not done.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Actually Goku ran just under 12m/s. He didn't get ki training from Roshi. Lol what? Do you know how fast light is? If Goku was light speed he could cover Snake way in 3 seconds. Well, that'd be kid Goku. By your scaling Goku going there should be 3xFTL able to do it in 1 second, going back he'd apparently be 33xFTL making it past Snake Way in 0.1 seconds.. Instead it took him around 2 days. That is less than 0.00006% of his 'FTL' speed.

This sure looks like half a planet away The same Freeza in his final form saw the dragon a dozen miles away and failed to rush over there before Dende starts chatting to it. And by your powerscaling he's meant to be what, 800,000xFTL?

I guess Chichi would be almost lightspeed too?

Explain.

About to post scans of Flash, then Gladiator next.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
@ Demonic Phoenix: The only thing that describes Haku's jutsu as light speed is the Naruto wiki, which is written by ignorant fan-tards such as yourself. The Naruto databook doesn't say anywhere in it that Haku was lightspeed, and in fact states that Hiraishin is the fastest jutsu in the series by far, as it allows ninja to move at the speed of light.

Still, you completely ignored what I said. The Yellow flash jutsu is lightspeed. It has been used to easily dodge characters like Jyuubito, Raikage and other speed houses in the series. Going by poor dubline, I guess that 9 tails chakra mode PTS Naruto could easily speed-blitz Jyuubito, Raikage and everyone else that has been ROFL-blitzed by Hiraishin. Unless you want to argue that Naruto to be faster than current Naruto, Minato, Jyuubito, etc.(but I know how stupid you have proven to be in the past, so it wouldn't surprise me), your argument just completely collapsed in on itself.

Who said anything about Raditz that I haven't disproven or debunked yet? Kid Goku was faster than light, and Raditz speed blitzed a stronger version of Goku AND Piccolo, who was nearly his equal in speed and power. Raditz was FAR faster than light, about 6-8 times faster in fact, going by the fact that Raditz had a power level of 1,000-1,200, and Kid Goku was LS-FTL at a power level of at most 150.

I find it hilarious that you have the audacity to call me stupid, when you're the one who's been using a broken dub in all of your arguments. Not to mention the fact that you've still COMPLETELY ignored anything I said about Kid Goku being light speed, while simply arguing that "Raditz wasn't FTL, fail dub.", while I haven't even said anything about Raditz! I've based my entire argument on Kid Goku being LS-FTL, and haven't said anything about Raditz's speed until now. Since Kid Goku was LS-FTL, and Raditz was 6-8 times stronger/faster than him, unless we go by your logic saying that weak, slow people are somehow faster than strong, fast people, Raditz IS 6-8 times FTL AT LEAST.

Again, it's too late. Everyone on here now knows you're a dumb ass.

@ SSJGGogeta: The only thing that describes Goku's technique as light speed is the dub, which is misinterpreted by ignorant fan-tards such as yourself. The DBZ databook doesn't say anywhere in it that Goku was lightspeed, and in fact states that Instant Transmission is the fastest technique in the series by far, as it allows people to move at the speed of light.

Still, you completely ignored what everyone has said. Goku is not lightspeed. Going by poor dubline, I guess that Freeza could easily speed-blitz Cell, Buu and everyone else that has been ROFL-blitzed by Instant Transmission. Unless you want to argue that Kid Goku to be faster than current Goku, Vegeta, Buu, etc.(but I know how stupid you have proven to be in the past, so it wouldn't surprise me), your argument just completely collapsed in on itself.

Who said anything about Goku that others haven't disproven or debunked yet? Haku was faster than light, and Naruto speed blitzed a stronger version of Haku AND Zabuza, who was nearly his equal in speed and power. Naruto was FAR faster than light, about 50 times faster in fact, going by the fact that Haku was barely as fast as Sasuke, who was much slower than Lee.

I find it hilarious that you have the audacity to call me stupid, when you're the one who's been using a broken dub in all of your arguments. Not to mention the fact that you've still COMPLETELY ignored anything anyone has said about Kid Goku being light speed, while simply arguing that "Kid Goku was FTL, fail wiki." Since Haku was LS-FTL, and Naruto was 50 times stronger/faster than him, unless we go by your logic saying that weak, slow people are somehow faster than strong, fast people, Naruto IS 50 times FTL AT LEAST.

Again, it's too late. Everyone on here now knows you're a dumb ass.

Originally posted by carver9
Explain.

About to post scans of Flash, then Gladiator next.

Your argument invalidates itself when you consider the fact that the mainstream flagship characters of these comic books are written by several different teams of people over the years, leading to the existence of ridiculous low-end and high-end feats.

Dragon Ball doesn't have that luxury. It was written by one man who has in general remained far more consistent with the levels of power his characters have displayed over the course of the story.

To sum up any responses to you, carv, it's that characters like Flash and Superman have dozens of undeniable quantifiable feats supporting FTL.

I mean count the supposed light speed feats in all of DB. We have kid Goku grabbing the glasses..

..fail in itself as if he was LS Roshi and Tien would also be up there, two characters who have proven to have similar speed but failed to notice Goku's movement. How quantifiable does this sound?..

..and what else proves LS and above?

@ Demonic Phoenix: Since all you've argued about is flawed dubs, I'm gonna post some manga scans to end this argument.

http://www.mangapark.com/manga/dbz/c336/3,

Since when does light move instantaneously? If instant transmission is light speed as you and the flawed dub claim, then light speed must now bypass time itself, no? If that's true, I guess Naruto can go as fast as TOAA, right? I can't believe how dumb you are. -_-

http://www.mangasee.com/manga/series=Naruto&chapter=25&index=1&page=12

Nothing about Haku being light speed. Him saying it transports him means nothing. I can be transported by a car, does that make me light speed, or my car? No, transportation is transportation, not light speed movement. Once again, explain how this is light speed if Naruto counters it, when Minato and current Naruto can only move AT light speed with a special jutsu that was said to be the fastest jutsu in the ninja world? Not just that, but also considering the fact that the Raikage, who moves as fast as lightning, moved faster than Post timeskip Sasuke's sharingan could see.

So, again with your logic, I guess that Sasuke was faster when he was a kid, and had a stronger sharingan when he only had one tomoe, compared to his mangekyou sharingan. Nowhere was it stated Haku was light speed, but if it was, give me scans and also show scans of where it says yellow flash is faster than light, or it's not true/didn't happen, lol.

http://www.mangapark.com/manga/dbz/c130/6
http://www.mangapark.com/manga/dbz/c130/7
http://www.mangapark.com/manga/dbz/c130/8
http://www.mangapark.com/manga/dbz/c130/9

You can obviously see that Tien activated the Solar Flare/Taiyoken before Goku moved at all. Also, Goku didn't know what the Solar flare/Taiyoken was until he saw the flash begin to erupt, so it also caught him partially off-guard, and he was closer to Tien than he was to Roshi/Jackie, so that proves kid Goku, with a power level of about 150, moves faster than light does, at least at close range.

Also, when and where was it stated that Naruto was "50 times faster and stronger than Haku"? Naruto doesn't have power levels so you can't prove something like that unless it's outright stated. So, give some scans proving Naruto to be 50 times faster than light, or you're just an idiot fanboy, like you've proven to be in the past.

The lightspeed Haku line DP's talking about was in a databook Kishi made.

Also would like your thoughts on this;
"If he was LS, Roshi and Tien would also be up there, two characters who have proven to have similar speed but failed to notice Goku's movement. How quantifiable does this sound?"

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
You can obviously see that Tien activated the Solar Flare/Taiyoken before Goku moved at all. Also, Goku didn't know what the Solar flare/Taiyoken was until he saw the flash begin to erupt, so it also caught him partially off-guard,

If you want to be taking seriously in a debate, you should defend reasonable argument, but most of al stop spouting lies.

Here you have Goku being affected by Taiyoken in a previous chapter:

http://www.mangapark.com/manga/dbz/c124/3

Clearly he knew what he was up against, so he could just react to Tien activating the tech instead of reacting against light itself.

Frieza was caught in a Taiyouken by Krillin, and Cell used it too (against Piccolo I think) to escape from a battle, so those much faster characters failed to react against a light based attack. Those opponents actually didn't see the move coming and couldn't react properly.

Your logic would admit that anyone weaker than imperfect Cell at least is slower than light, as they were affected for Taiyouken.

Unrelated note: Did some GT characters get hit by Taiyouken? If so, this flawless logic proves that they are slower than light.

Good job at proving GT characters are slowpokes compared to people with actual lightspeed reaction times SSJGGogeta! 👆

@ Bentley: You talk about people spouting lies, yet you use GT to try explaining cannon events in the anime/manga... Akira Toriyama had no part in GT except for the character design of Pan, making the movies of DBZ even more cannon than GT, which is just a big plot hole itself, as Baby Vegeta who fought on par with SSJ4 Goku couldn't blow up Earth with a full power super galick gun, something that even Saiyan saga Vegeta was capable of in DBZ.

IIRC, Frieza was never hit by a Taiyoken, but if he was, it was because he probably didn't know what it was. Cell used it against Piccolo to escape momentarily, but that was because he dropped his power level to unreadable levels, even to the Z-fighters(which he could only do because he was an android), after the brief opening that Solar flare gave him. Piccolo didn't have any sunglasses around, and didn't want to leave Cell because he would escape again, putting him in an un-winable situation. Being affected by Solar flare has nothing to do with speed, it has to do with your sight and resistance to... light, but if you can move faster than it and there just so happens to be a pair of sunglasses around, you can avoid it.

Now, while I admit DBZ characters can't fly for distances at lightspeed until later in the series(about the Frieza arc, like how Goku effortlessly traveled from one side of Namek, which was 10X the size of Earth, to the other in less than a second), they can fight at MFTL and sustain that speed for prolonged battles. An example is when Goku fought Vegeta and used Kaioken for the second time. He had an entire battle with Vegeta that lasted several manga pages, in the time it took for his heart to beat once. Here is proof.

http://mangawall.com/manga/dragon-ball/227/3
http://www.mangapark.com/manga/dbz/c232/6
http://www.mangapark.com/manga/dbz/c232/7
http://www.mangapark.com/manga/dbz/c232/8
http://www.mangapark.com/manga/dbz/c232/9
http://www.mangapark.com/manga/dbz/c232/10
http://www.mangapark.com/manga/dbz/c232/11
http://www.mangapark.com/manga/dbz/c232/12
http://www.mangapark.com/manga/dbz/c232/13
http://www.mangapark.com/manga/dbz/c232/14

Now, when Piccolo destroyed the moon, he did it with a simple ki blast. It took a two seconds for the explosion to show, and it takes light a little more than a second to travel from Earth to the moon, but it took two seconds for the explosion to be seen, so the blast was a little faster than light. This simple ki blast was shot by Piccolo without charging any ki. Now, when he used Special beam cannon the first time, he said it was his fastest, and most deadly technique. While this proves that it is faster than the beam he shot at the moon that was faster than light, Raditz was still able to dodge it.

Also, Tien used a technique that he claimed to make him able to punch faster than light. This is confirmed in the Daizenshuu. However, the Daizenshuu also states that Goku would have probably been able to dodge it, if it wasn't for Chiaotzu using his psychic abilities to immobilize him. In DBZ, flight speed is much slower than combat speed, so while someone like Superman may beat Goku in a race across the universe(if Goku wasn't using IT or SSJG and it was PC Superman or above), he couldn't keep up with his fighting speed, and couldn't measure to Goku's destructive capabilities(because PC Superman destroyed an asteroid belt with an uncontrollable sneeze, and Goku in base is quadrillions of times stronger in the Buu saga than someone who could destroy planets with a single attack, but that's not what I'm debating here).

Not to mention the fact that Goku and Tien easily dodged waves of photons shot by Dr. Gero, and as you should know, photons move at the speed of light. So... yeah.

@ BloodRain: I have read Haku's bio in the databook my friend owns just to solve this and I saw nothing that claimed Haku as light speed or faster. Also, Roshi was easily defeated by Tien. Goku was much faster and stronger than Roshi at that point, and was also faster and stronger than Tien by quite a bit. Tien even said that Goku was physically superior to him, but Tien simply had a larger arsenal of techniques which gave him the advantage and allowed him to win with luck.

Goku was known in Dragon Ball for his strength, but mostly for his tremendous speed. Roshi even commented while Goku fought Piccolo that Goku's best attribute has always been his speed and ability to vanish from even experienced eyes, including those of Kami. So, it isn't too difficult to believe that Goku can move faster than Tien or Roshi could see at that point.

How does a flash of light surprise those trillions+ times faster than it?

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
@ BloodRain: I have read Haku's bio in the databook my friend owns just to solve this and I saw nothing that claimed Haku as light speed or faster. Also, Roshi was easily defeated by Tien. Goku was much faster and stronger than Roshi at that point, and was also faster and stronger than Tien by quite a bit. Tien even said that Goku was physically superior to him, but Tien simply had a larger arsenal of techniques which gave him the advantage and allowed him to win with luck.

Goku was known in Dragon Ball for his strength, but mostly for his tremendous speed. Roshi even commented while Goku fought Piccolo that Goku's best attribute has always been his speed and ability to vanish from even experienced eyes, including those of Kami. So, it isn't too difficult to believe that Goku can move faster than Tien or Roshi could see at that point. [/B]

But if Tien was lightspeed he wouldn't use a flash that was slower than himself, knowing Goku is faster..

Originally posted by BloodRain
To sum up any responses to you, carv, it's that characters like Flash and Superman have dozens of undeniable quantifiable feats supporting FTL.

I mean count the supposed light speed feats in all of DB. We have kid Goku grabbing the glasses..

..fail in itself as if he was LS Roshi and Tien would also be up there, two characters who have proven to have similar speed but failed to notice Goku's movement. How quantifiable does this sound?..

..and what else proves LS and above?

There are plenty of Light Speed showings, you just fail to realize it. Like DBZ blasts going FTL but more powerful attacks are shot at DBZ characters but you state the attack is much slower than a non full powered blast. The fts are there, you just dont want to accept it.

Gohan and Krillin outracing their KI attacks...attacks faster than Piccolo and Roshi moon busting attacks. Thats proof enough.

Originally posted by BloodRain
How does a flash of light surprise those trillions+ times faster than it?

I don't recall Tien being able to blitz Roshi without him even knowing it. Goku and Tien were roughly equals, whether or not one was above is meaningless as it would be like comparing early Goku to Krillin. Nothing notable. Though what you're saying is that Goku is so fast that he can outpace light and effortlessly blitz someone on near equal footing who has the same powerlevel, who is apparently also meant to be light speed.

But if Tien was lightspeed he wouldn't use a flash that was slower than himself, knowing Goku is faster..

What flash did Tien use that is slower than his body movement?

Another question, why would Akira name Tien attack "light speed punches"? What was the point of that?

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
@ Bentley: You talk about people spouting lies

Did you lie? Don't try to get out of it by some -failed- attempt of making an argument of authority. Just accept it and consider my recommendation: don't try to convince others with lies and get your facts straight.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
@ , yet you use GT to try explaining cannon events in the anime/manga...

Except I clearly said "in an unrelated note" to point out it had no bearing in the debate. This is one pointless nitpicking that could have been left out if you took enough time to read through my post.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
@ IIRC, Frieza was never hit by a Taiyoken, but if he was, it was because he probably didn't know what it was.

Maybe it was anime filler, if I recall correctly it was Krillin using it against his second form. If it's non-canon then never mind.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Being affected by Solar flare has nothing to do with speed, it has to do with your sight and resistance to... light, but if you can move faster than it and there just so happens to be a pair of sunglasses around, you can avoid it. .

You are the one arguing that you can evade it with speed, for me the showing of the tournament doesn't imply outrunning speed at all. Goku simply had to outrun Tien's use of Taiyouken and not light itself, because he knew as soon as Tien was in position exactly what was going to happen and devised a plan.

I'm open to the possibility of characters being lightspeed or beyond, I don't particularly care if it's the case. However, the tournament showing isn't proof on and by itself of any lightspeed movement. I encourage you to bring other proof, there is no sense to have a debate if both sides aren't open to change their stances.

Originally posted by carver9
There are plenty of Light Speed showings, you just fail to realize it. Like DBZ blasts going FTL but more powerful attacks are shot at DBZ characters but you state the attack is much slower than a non full powered blast. The fts are there, you just dont want to accept it.

Gohan and Krillin outracing their KI attacks...attacks faster than Piccolo and Roshi moon busting attacks. Thats proof enough.

So what else do we have? The name of an attack? Have we really sunk this low? Because again I could show you a normal human character calling his punch a 'supersonic fist. It means jack all.. and iirc that was a dub error?

Originally posted by carver9
What flash did Tien use that is slower than his body movement?

Not only would this mean that the tactically combat smart Tien was stupid enough to do the equivalence of you rannuimg up to me with sand in your hand while yelling yours gonna throw it in my eyes.. But this also calls into question how characters above Super Saiyans are being easily blinded by a flasg far slower than themselves. How bad would it be to be caught offguard by something moving as fast as the speed of hair growth?

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
@ dadudemon: Excuse me? When did I say anything about mass? The moon has a diameter of 3,474 km, and the Earth has a diameter of 12,800 km, so, the Earth is 3.68 times bigger than the moon, i.e. "The moon is about 1/4th the size of the Earth.". Make sense now?

Only someone very ignorant would think a 2-dimensional comparison was appropriate. That person is you, in case you were wondering.

You have no clue why mass is important for blowing up planetary objects.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
By the way, you must be pretty stupid to have to make a counter argument about an argument that doesn't exist. I never said anything about mass stupid, I said the moon is 1/4 the size of Earth. Learn the difference, go back to 1st grade.

You said: "That's approximately a quarter of the Earth. Anyone four times stronger than Roshi is a planet buster."

Which is wrong. It would take roughly 82 times the amount of energy, assuming similar density (hint: the earth is more dense than the moon so it would actually take even more energy per average unit of volume).

You would need a character at least 82 times as powerful, good sir.

Basically, the goal is to overcome the gravitational binding energy. If you can do that, you can blow it up. That would be the minimum requirement.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
So... yeah. You guys are stupid as ****.

lol

Read these things:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/09/13/blastr-so-you-wanna-blow-up-the-earth/#.UqnpW8RDvTo

http://www.blastr.com/2011/09/astronomer_explains_why_w.php

http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Gravitational_binding_energy.html

http://io9.com/5876473/how-much-energy-would-the-death-star-require-to-destroy-earth

http://clarionfoundation.wordpress.com/2010/11/25/blowing-up-planets/

Once you stop drowning in ignorance, your head will be above the water level in "The Sea of Ignorance". Getting your head above the water level is just the start. At that point, you'd just start to be able to breath. It will take you many years to be able to reach my level, much less tread water.

So, work on getting your head above the water level. In a decade, you might be able to ascend and join me in the Heavens of Knowledge...but I doubt it.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
@ Demonic Phoenix: Since all you've argued about is flawed dubs, I'm gonna post some manga scans to end this argument.

http://www.mangapark.com/manga/dbz/c336/3,

Since when does light move instantaneously? If instant transmission is light speed as you and the flawed dub claim, then light speed must now bypass time itself, no? If that's true, I guess Naruto can go as fast as TOAA, right? I can't believe how dumb you are. -_-

http://www.mangasee.com/manga/series=Naruto&chapter=25&index=1&page=12

Nothing about Haku being light speed. Him saying it transports him means nothing. I can be transported by a car, does that make me light speed, or my car? No, transportation is transportation, not light speed movement. Once again, explain how this is light speed if Naruto counters it, when Minato and current Naruto can only move AT light speed with a special jutsu that was said to be the fastest jutsu in the ninja world? Not just that, but also considering the fact that the Raikage, who moves as fast as lightning, moved faster than Post timeskip Sasuke's sharingan could see.

So, again with your logic, I guess that Sasuke was faster when he was a kid, and had a stronger sharingan when he only had one tomoe, compared to his mangekyou sharingan. Nowhere was it stated Haku was light speed, but if it was, give me scans and also show scans of where it says yellow flash is faster than light, or it's not true/didn't happen, lol.

http://www.mangapark.com/manga/dbz/c130/6
http://www.mangapark.com/manga/dbz/c130/7
http://www.mangapark.com/manga/dbz/c130/8
http://www.mangapark.com/manga/dbz/c130/9

You can obviously see that Tien activated the Solar Flare/Taiyoken before Goku moved at all. Also, Goku didn't know what the Solar flare/Taiyoken was until he saw the flash begin to erupt, so it also caught him partially off-guard, and he was closer to Tien than he was to Roshi/Jackie, so that proves kid Goku, with a power level of about 150, moves faster than light does, at least at close range.

Also, when and where was it stated that Naruto was "50 times faster and stronger than Haku"? Naruto doesn't have power levels so you can't prove something like that unless it's outright stated. So, give some scans proving Naruto to be 50 times faster than light, or you're just an idiot fanboy, like you've proven to be in the past.

@ SSJGGogeta: Since all you've argued about is flawed logic, I'm gonna post some manga scans to end this argument.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/129659/3243172-reflec.png

Since when does light move instantaneously? If instant transmission is faster than light speed as you and the flawed dub claim, then light speed must now bypass time itself, no? If that's true, I guess Goku can go as fast as TOAA, right? I can't believe how dumb you are. -_-

http://www.mangapark.com/manga/dbz/c130/9

Nothing about Goku being light speed. Once again, explain how this is light speed, when Goku can only move AT light speed with a special technique?

So, again with your logic, I guess that Goku was faster when he was a kid, Nowhere was it stated Kid Goku was light speed, but if it was, give me scans and also show scans of where it says Goku is faster than light, or it's not true/didn't happen, lol.

http://www.mangapark.com/manga/Naruto/c27/6
http://www.mangapark.com/manga/Naruto/c27/12
http://www.mangapark.com/manga/Naruto/c27/13

You can obviously see that Haku moved before Sasuke moved at all. Also, Sasuke didn't know what Haku was doing until he saw the Haku begin to move, so it also caught him partially off-guard, and Haku was closer to Naruto than Sasuke was to Naruto, so that proves Sasuke, with a one tomoe sharingan, moves faster than light does, at least at close range.

Speed doesn't scale linearly with power levels so you can't prove something like that unless it's outright stated. So, give some scans proving Goku to be faster than light, or you're just an idiot fanboy, like you've proven to be in the past.