Batman vs. Iron Man

Started by Odekahn29 pages

Fine guys, correct the following *statements and make any additions you believe to be accurate.

What Tony knows: Batman is the only non-super powered founding member of the Justice League. He uses gadgets and martial arts to take down his foes. Tony would study the available history of Bruce’s rogues and would also find out that the vast majority of Bruce’s villains aren’t metahuman. He would also tap into video histories to see how much footage was available of Bruce during combat (which historically, batman avoids). He would be aware of the Batmobile, the Batboat, the Batsignal, and the Batwing. Tony would have absolutely no idea that Bruce is a prepgod.

What Tony brings to the fight: Tony would likely equip his standard armor, MAYBE an advanced prototype, however I do NOT see Tony wearing his Hulk Buster armor to battle against a street leveler foe. HOWEVER, for the sake of argument, here were will equip Tony with his Hulk Buster suit AND give him a dozen other suits (any type) to act as drones under his command. Tony also could bring stationary weapons such as cannons, energy shields, and an AI assistant.

It would NOT be in character for Tony to use a weapon that would destroy half a city. I think with THIS scenario, giving Tony all of the above is being quite generous.

Tony’s likely plan: Wipe Batman out before he has a chance to react. Bring big guns, aim, and fire. (I’ve seen nothing else posted by anyone to suggest he’d react any different within this situation) CIS is still ON.

Also, I am NOT finished with this. I just got off work early and this was all I could get done. And, *I didn't know I would be writing it as a statement so that's why my side comments are mixed in.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
So, you want to start a dialogue and exchange opinions? If you stay polite I am more then willing to help you 🙂.

Do you wonder why you are so defensive now? Think about it. Nobody said or implied it? Well, we will see. The fallacies are more common on the Marvel side. However you can take both sides, DC and Marvel into account, blame both sides instead of ignoring and blaming the one you are against. But that would mean to be honest with yourself.

Ok, you point is now that nothing short of an Being of King Thors level is capable of hurting Ironman? Well, you said "Nobody said it was." (It refers to being invulnerable to harm). Now, you limit it at least to Skyfathers. So you stance is obviously that no one short of a Skyfather or beyond, because you demand Batman to hurt something more powerful then the Thorbuster which is a match for King Thor in your opinion, can hurt IronMan.
So no Herald stands a chance. If this is your opinion, more power to you. But maybe you should reconsider your point.

No one said? No one has to prove that? So defensive again, ok.
I made enough arguments, which are ignored because they require to think and consider the possiblities of both adversaries.
Maybe some personal preferences are responsible for this but tell me, do you think that Black Panther could come up with a plan to hurt or destroy IM armor with prep? I know Black Panther isn't in this thread but you should be able to follow my line of reasoning.

It's not imprevious. Nothing is failsafe and this "Ironman is invulnerable to all harm" talk is the standard argument from the IM supporters which blocks any potential of a thriving discussion where both sides can be enlightened about both characters, be creative and find ways to defeat each other. It can't be hacked until it is hacked and Tony say "but that's impossible" the same is true for EMP and Acids, happens often enough in comics.

So you are back to insults again? And here I had the hope you improved. I though you grow intellectually and emotionally, are open to discussions, a dialogue, but it seems you just search for a "internetz-fight" to show how tough you are, what new and fancy words you learned and pretend you are smart and well educated, when in truth you just prove you are not, with your insults and your "way of debating". So go on with your monologue, you surely don't need me to participate in this. Now rage on, don't learn, don't grow and start your flaming, I won't read it nor will i help you turn yet another thread into sh1t.

I can follow you quite easily tbh. 🙂 So now we need Abstracts to defeat Tony. It's not a tech war, it's a prep war, tech is a part yes but if you can't see other ways to defeat tony then Skyfather or Abstract weapons, we are done here... indeed we are already, my bad.

So the new OMAC technology is known now to Bruce which makes it even easier to replicate it 👆. Tony won't be able to hack it because Batman is a mystery to him, while Tony as a public whore is exploitable. The trump Card isn't the satelites, you got it wrong, yet again. There have been enough means named that could damage IMs Armor. The trump card is better intel, being a better tactician and strategist, psychology and being simpy more clever. Finally you got it. And we agree that the Brother Eye would take out tony easily.

Yeah, yeah, Tony is now a Skyfather and nothing below can hurt him. Only weapons that can hurt Skyfathers or Abstracts will be effective, so let's forget everything, even the Insider Suit, which could be improved and is able to damage Heralds. It doesn't matter now what the Batman side names, if it isn't able to hurt high end Skyfathers or abstracts whe have to throw it out of the window.
But nice Strawman argument 👆.

Oh I won't make the same mistake again. IOW giving you a second chance was a mistake or not I learned something at least about you. Sometimes I can't stop believing in humanity, in you case I have to though. And even though I pity you I won't waste my time reading your flames and insults anymore. But thanks for playing.

Feel honored I took the time to reply to you though.

👆 👆

Originally posted by Odekahn
Fine guys, correct the following *statements and make any additions you believe to be accurate.

What Tony knows: Batman is the only non-super powered founding member of the Justice League. He uses gadgets and martial arts to take down his foes. Tony would study the available history of Bruce’s rogues and would also find out that the vast majority of Bruce’s villains aren’t metahuman. He would also tap into video histories to see how much footage was available of Bruce during combat (which historically, batman avoids). He would be aware of the Batmobile, the Batboat, the Batsignal, and the Batwing. Tony would have absolutely no idea that Bruce is a prepgod.

What Tony brings to the fight: Tony would likely equip his standard armor, MAYBE an advanced prototype, however I do NOT see Tony wearing his Hulk Buster armor to battle against a street leveler foe. HOWEVER, for the sake of argument, here were will equip Tony with his Hulk Buster suit AND give him a dozen other suits (any type) to act as drones under his command. Tony also could bring stationary weapons such as cannons, energy shields, and an AI assistant.

It would NOT be in character for Tony to use a weapon that would destroy half a city. I think with THIS scenario, giving Tony all of the above is being quite generous.

Tony’s likely plan: Wipe Batman out before he has a chance to react. Bring big guns, aim, and fire. (I’ve seen nothing else posted by anyone to suggest he’d react any different within this situation) CIS is still ON.

Also, I am NOT finished with this. I just got off work early and this was all I could get done. And, *I didn't know I would be writing it as a statement so that's why my side comments are mixed in.

You are giving a theory of what will happen, and still have not realized what quantum encryption means. Let me clue you in. It would take a fleet of computers decades at our level of current technology to crack one quantum encrypted server (Tony would have 100's or more in place in case of an DDOS attack were to occur) so Bruce would go in loops, and get nothing but happy faces on his screen as he dwindles down the week to find a shred of info on Tony's armor. So that seals up that little avenue of attack. On panel, Stark has better tech that he uses on a more frequent basis. batman isn't going to go Omac on Stark because of the consequences that this avenue of attack would create. If he goes toe to toe in his Batsuit, he would get Bat-busted.

Originally posted by Stoic
You are giving a theory of what will happen, and still have not realized what quantum encryption means. Let me clue you in. It would take a fleet of computers decades at our level of current technology to crack one quantum encrypted server (Tony would have 100's or more in place in case of an DDOS attack were to occur so Bruce would go in loops, and get nothing but happy faces on his screen as he dwindles down the week to find a shred of info on Tony's armor. So that seals up that little avenue of attack. On panel, Stark has better tech that he uses on a more frequent basis. batman isn't going to go Omac on Stark because of the consequences that this avenue of attack would create. If he goes toe to toe in his Batsuit, he would get Bat-busted.

I haven't stated Batman's plan, gear, or what he knows yet. It's not about him right now. Take the above and correct whatever needs correcting, remove what doesn't belong and add EVERYTHING that does iyo.

This is focusing on TONY.

Originally posted by Odekahn
I haven't stated Batman's plan, gear, or what he knows yet. It's not about him right now. Take the above and correct whatever needs correcting, remove what doesn't belong and add EVERYTHING that does iyo.

This is focusing on TONY.

When did this become more about what I would do as Tony or Bruce, and less about feats, and on panel citation? You and Prime would like to make Tony into this primping over inflated egomaniac, and leave out the fact that he is not a rookie at the prep war game. before you launch into this debate, if you have not read all of the Armor Wars series, you should go and do that, and once you are done, come back, and give up.

Kahn the fact thatTony was willing to build MULTIPLE WMD's shows a willingness to use them in a

Originally posted by Firefly218
no holding back
fight

Originally posted by Stoic
When did this become more about what I would do as Tony or Bruce, and less about feats, and on panel citation? You and Prime would like to make Tony into this primping over inflated egomaniac, and leave out the fact that he is not a rookie at the prep war game. before you launch into this debate, if you have not read all of the Armor Wars series, you should go and do that, and once you are done, come back, and give up.

I'm asking for your opinion in this fight. Let me do this again.

In YOUR OPINION (which is what you are here to express) in regards to this fight... What do you think of the statements above? What would you change? What would you add? Firewalls? Ok.

Tony also has each of his gear connected over a closed circuit 1000x encrypted network.

^work for you? What else?

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
Kahn the fact thatTony was willing to build [b] MULTIPLE WMD's shows a willingness to use them in a fight [/B]

No holding back doesn't mean they aren't still in character. It's not in Tony's character to nuke a city to kill a street leveler foe.

So now the argument is that Tony isn't going to use his week of prep because he underestimates Bruce; I'm taking this as an admission that Batman can't handle a fully prepped Iron-man.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So now the argument is that Tony isn't going to use his week of prep because he underestimates Bruce; I'm taking this as an admission that Batman can't handle a fully prepped Iron-man.

It's not an argument.

It's the likely position that Tony is put in given the thread. Add anything you think needs to be added.

No it's really not, tony would know about batman being a "prepgod" given the General knowledge he is given via Board rules.

Originally posted by thanos-prime
No it's really not, tony would know about batman being a "prepgod" given the General knowledge he is given via Board rules.

You mean this rule?

Basic Knowledge
Each side receives basic knowledge of the other. A good measure of this would be what the general population of the character's homeworld knows. For example, that Superman has a weakness to Kryptonite is general knowledge, but that he's Clark Kent is not.

It is not public knowledge that Batman is a prepgod.

I just realized that you argued that Batman would hack Tony.

What's to stop Tony hacking the bat

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
I just realized that you argued that Batman would hack Tony.

I did? Where?

Originally posted by Odekahn
It's not an argument.

It's the likely position that Tony is put in given the thread. Add anything you think needs to be added.

Not prepping fully would be holding back, which is against the rules of the OP.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Not prepping fully would be holding back, which is against the rules of the OP.

Ok then, PREPPING FULLY, what does Tony bring? What does he defend against specifically? If you think he'd have more within a weeks prep time, what would he have?

IYO?

This is why I said: remove anything that is incorrect, make any changes, etc.

A list of his several of his weapons have already been provided.

holding back implies consciously limiting yourself

Tony would not be "holding back" if he is unconsciously underestimating Bruce, as is his character, and therefore not preparing to his fullest extent

Originally posted by Silent Master
A list of his several of his weapons have already been provided.

Ok, so you want me to add EVERYTHING on that list as something Ironman would likely use-not holding back- (still in character) against a street leveler?

And that's all you would change?

Originally posted by Firefly218
holding back implies consciously limiting yourself

Tony would not be "holding back" if he is unconsciously underestimating Bruce, as is his character, and therefore not preparing to his fullest extent

Ding ding ding!!! 👆