Zoom Vs Superboy Prime · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

Mindset Senior Member

Originally posted by ODG
Maybe you're thinking about Professor Zoom.

Nope.

Zoom has time traveled. He was in Rome before he came back to fight Bart iirc.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Prime just punches out of bfr's, unless it's out in the multiverse...
That hurt typing that.

I'll punch your face off. sneer

Branlor Swift Dead

I'll retcon punch you into queenofbrokeback

ODG Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by Mindset
Nope.
Zoom has time traveled. He was in Rome before he came back to fight Bart iirc.

I recall him BFRing himself when he tried to power the Cosmic Treadmill without Professor Zoom's assistance?

Mindset Senior Member

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I'll retcon punch you into queenofbrokeback

That's uncalled for.

Originally posted by ODG
I recall him BFRing himself when he tried to power the Cosmic Treadmill without Professor Zoom's assistance?

Are you asking me if this happened?

I don't remember, I just know he was chilling in ancient Rome probably enjoy orgies.

celeyhyga17 Yawning Void

Hard for me to pick against SBP here...

Branlor Swift Dead

Originally posted by Mindset
That's uncalled for.

Yeah, I took that way too far.

Friends again?

ODG Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by Mindset
Are you asking me if this happened?
I don't remember, I just know he was chilling in ancient Rome probably enjoy orgies.

I know it happened. Zoom apparently couldn't use the Cosmic Treadmill to time-travel because he wasn't a true speedster. He had to force Jay Garrick to power it to bring Professor Zoom out of a moment in history. Professor Zoom ended up powering the Cosmic Treadmill thereafter to torment Wally with time-traveling shenanigans. Then a time-traveling Barry managed to pull Professor Zoom back into the timestream, and Zoom tried to power the treadmill on his own and kinda blew up.

The Rome thing sounds familiar, I just remember the treadmill scene more clearly because it was the climax to Geoff Johns Rogue's War storyline.

Mindset Senior Member

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Yeah, I took that way too far.
Friends again?

👆

Let's beat up some nerds.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Jesse Quick also knocked out Zoom IIRC.

Mindset Senior Member

abhi, get outta here with that bullshit.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

It was written by Geoff Johns to boot.

😄

maxivitopowe Herr Universem

Why isn't zoom a true speedster?

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He doesn't move fast because of speed; he appears to move fast because he messes with the timestream. SO he makes it look as if time is moving fast relative to him, which doesn't explain how he can run around the world, though.

So for example, say it takes you 20 seconds to run 100m (you fat phuck). Zoom would also take 20 seconds, but he controls the rate at which time flows, so relative to him its 20 seconds, but from your perspective, only 1 second has passed.

maxivitopowe Herr Universem

But shouldn't he be aging incredibly then?

And shouldn't that be tiring?

And he can run in water right? How?

And the running around the world thing? How? His powers make no sense.

And can he control the rate at which he appears to move?

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Yeah, I have no idea how time phuckery helps him with some of the feats he;s shown.

Warlord Yes, I am...

comic science you fools

sacred108 Senior Member

Zooms blitz sbp then goes to McDonald's for a drink finishes it comes back and punches him at full speed goes BK for a burger finishes it goes and kicks him at full speed then goes to Sonics for some fries finishes them then goes back in time and punches his mom the end.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

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Originally posted by Branlor Swift
So, Zoom has never taken down a being even Diana level is what you're saying? And he has never hit anywhere close to as hard as Superman outside a singular showing where he failed to take out Wonder Woman.
But yeah, go ahead and post the scan that says this was the [b]only time he stopped holding back for fear of killing someone, and that's the only reason he only has one showing of hitting that hard.[/B]

You asked why he doesn't always hit that hard. I gave you the reason WHY he doesn't always hit that hard. Now you're arguing with the reason, too? Lol.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Then you're saying Zoom always holds back. Well, that's quite an ace in the hole isn't it? Too bad CIS is on in the forum though. Stop holding back would probably stop him from acquiring so many losses though.

Wally usually holds back as well. That doesn't stop him from fighting to his full potential on KMC. 🙂

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
But I still find it funny how you made a point of him holding back against WW but then turn around and say "Well, this is the one time he didn't hold back... as much."
So basically, the fight where he fails to KO Wonder Woman is the most he's went out in comics? So... he failed to KO Wonder Woman is what you're saying in his best power showing?

His best showing of punching-power is delivering multiple Superman-level punches. Why on earth you're equating Dianna not being KO'd by said punches into a low feat for Zoom is beyond me. Frankly, you're doing everything you can to low-ball Zoom at this point. It's just silly, tbh.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
But your logic is that he always tries to make the heroes better. Like what he seemed to be doing there. And you know what... He's still hitting them. You're telling me he uses an immense amount of speed to hit his opponents, but he's not actually trying to hurt them... with a whole lot of punches? So what, he was pulling everyone of his super speed punches?
If Superman was hitting something that much, I have doubts he'd cause no damage at all.

He holds back against most opponents, because he only wants to make them betterrrr. So yes, he does pull his punches when he needs to. If he were to hit Impulse, for example, with a Superman-level punch, he'd be splattered all over the sidewalk-- but killing heroes isn't Zoom's M.O.

...But Prime isn't a hero, so Zoom's methodology could possibly change-- especially if he gets basic knowledge of Prime before the battle.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
And her inner monologue is retarded. Superman destroys her when he hits her. Breaks bones, blacks her out, etc. Zoom hits her and causes no injuries at all. Doesn't really come close to knocking her out. It's basically akin to anyone saying they're more powerful than Superman.
And it also doesn't help that this is like the only time it's ever cause this much damage. And it doesn't help that every hit amounts to a cheapshot due to her being blind. We are using one statement that doesn't make sense to conclude he always can hit harder than Superman.

So Dianna was lying... To herself? Lol.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
This would be like using Superboy retconning reality to say every single punch he throws is that powerful...

It's not the same at all, actually. You're just being silly for no reason at all.

Prime 'retconned reality' because he was in a place where he could literally punch/break the physical 'walls' of reality. He didn't just start punching thin are, and *poof* reality was retconned.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Hell, Superman hits her bracelets and she questions them being able to take anymore than that:
http://oi39.tinypic.com/smyob8.jpg
That fight had him breaker her wrist, dislocating her arm, punching through her hand, and just about everything in between.
There's also her taking a sunamped Superman punch that sends her from the sun that temp KO's her. But no, Zoom hits harder. She's been hit by Superman after all. This hurts more. Wait... wasn't Sacrifice like right before that fight? lol.
But no, Zoom hits harder. She's been hit by Superman after all. This hurts more. Wait... wasn't Sacrifice like right before that fight? lol.

Because Superman /w/ Doomsday enhancements, and Superman /w/ a sunamp is what Dianna was comparing Zoom's punches to, right?

Lol, stop being silly.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
You can't count obviously then. He hits her 7 times assuming every hit is a single hit, and he bashes her head once. And considering his single looking hit was 200 hits against an Amazonian that failed to kill her, it's a little weird to conclude he was throwing single hits against Diana.

He hits her five times with Superman-level punches that we can see. Five times=/="countless, countless times", like you said.

Furthermore, concluding that he hit her anymore then that is yet another unsubstantiated conclusion on your end.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
And also his entire history... But I forgot, we're supposed to ignore every other showing of Zoom because of that one fight... yes, each of Zoom's hits are harder than Superman. And 200 Superman plus level strikes failed to kill an Amazonian. Logic.

When did I say anything like that? The problem here is you're SO butthurt that you've ceased making sense.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

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Originally posted by Branlor Swift
"Established" in one showing... out of what like 200 appearances? Yeah, let's take that one showing as the gospel.

You not liking that it happened, doesn't change the fact that it still happened. 🙂

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
The funny thing is, you yourself are admitting you're lowballing. I however, am using some of Zoom's best feats that you are more than happy of using. And Connor was fighting with Prime in the same series Prime 2 shotted Superman. Connor was doing amazing against BL Kal-L. Unlike Zoom apparently, Connor has the feats. The speedsters basically has them hitting him as hard as they can and doing no lasting damage. When Bart actually drew blood against Prime he landed a huge cheapshot against Prime when he was full speedforced. When Bart came back in LO3W he said he was faster than ever and the Speedforce itself was amped. And he did pretty much no damage at all against Prime, Prime had also got hit by iirc red sun, and a place with no sunlight. I don't remember what happened in Tales besides Prime calling out Superman's manhood. And the TT one is a blatant low feat. Like the only one where he legitimately gets put down. Too bad it's not relevant to pillow fists Zoom though. And none of these feats are Jay rocking the dick out of Zoom.

No, I admitted that I can low-ball you right back-- because frankly, that's all you've done thus far. If I wanted to be like you, I could bring up Wonder Girl faring well against Prime... But I won't. 🙂

Anywho,
Conner consistently smacks Prime around, and pretty much everyone would agree that Connor<<Superman.
But most importantly: speedsters ALWAYS slap Prime around, and he usually flees from them.

What does this mean? It means that Prime's fear of his opponents can make him crumble where he otherwise would not... And he's never faced a speedster nearly as fast as Zoom.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Zoom gets hit... a lot in comics. According to your concession, Zoom has never even put down a Superman level being. Zoom has a questionable jaw.
All of which add up to him not looking so hot against Prime.

Zoom also shit-stomps Flashes... a lot in comics. Hell, it took Bart merging with the entire effing speed force, and a hugely amped Wally, just to contend with Zoom... But you don't like mentioning that kind of stuff. No, you prefer mentioning only his lower feats and/or low-balling the hell out of the feats he has.

You: "Kal punched Zoom in the face and he shrugged it off? Big deal, cuz Dianna bloodied him up years earlier!"
You: "Zoom threw multiple Superman-level punches at Dianna? Big deal, cuz she wasn't even KO'd by them!"
You: "Zoom was able to toy with a team consisting of Superman+Batman+Hal+Dianna, and troll them in the process? Big deal, cuz he didn't own all of them!"

Crikey!

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
And I've repeatedly questioned how Zoom can jump from never KO'ing a Superman level being to jumping up in ability to easily beat Prime, so let's not play a questions game.
Prime will get hit, a lot. I'm not denying that. However, combining Zoom's complete and utter ability to get hit with Prime's strength and speed? It doesn't look so hot for Zoom.

See above. You're low-balling just to low-ball, while at the same time not telling me HOW Prime will win. Silly.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
But, in way of actually proving it?
Well, let's look at what you yourself have posted:
You posted Kal-L hitting Zoom. You posted a blind Wonder Woman hitting Zoom. You posted a blind Wonder Woman lasso'ing Zoom. You posted Goddamned Hal snatching his leg while he was in the middle of blitzing Diana. And then you posted Diana lasso'ing him AGAIN (even though he got out). And you expect to sit here and tell me he's going to make Prime look like a statue? All of these you used as good showings too.

In a versus battle, yes, Prime WILL be a statue in comparison.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
No, Prime isn't as quick as Zoom, but he's fast enough to do this:
http://s219.photobucket.com/user/Superman-Prime_Respect/media/RealVSClone8.jpg.html
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/RealVSClone9.jpg

So he can spin around in a circle really fast and tag speedsters who aren't even remotely close to Zoom's level of speed? Great. It's odd that he didn't preform that little trick the several other times that speedsters have blitzed him.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
So his reactions are a bit more than anyone you posted tagging Zoom.

That feat is enough for you to conclude that Prime's reactions are greater than the characters who've 'tagged' Zoom? Lol.

Anyway, here's some feats for Zoom(more can be provided if need be)...

Out-speeds Bart:
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Out-speeds Wally+Jay:
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Easily blocks all of Wally's punches with one arm, before owning him:
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Beats the shit out of Wally /w/ the speed of Bart+Jay:
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Out-speeds Wally yet again:
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[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/17061677_11.jpg]

Finally, Wally was able to contend with Zoom when he was amped to a point where time was literally STOPPED around him/them:
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/17061678_12.jpg]

Every other hero on earth(inc. Superman) was a statue to them during this battle:
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/17061679_13.jpg]

...And this is the level in which Zoom ALWAYS operates:
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Just for fun... Zoom tools the Rogues:
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/17061684_18.jpg]
[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/17061685_19.jpg]

But yeah, none of that matters. Prime will evidently just walk up and hit Zoom, because Zoom's been hit before. Love the logic.

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Anyway, that ridiculous wall-o-text will be my last post on the subject(sorry for that, btw)... I'm just talking in circles now. You can have the last word. 👆

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Superman wasn't enhanced in WW 175 (Circe merely gave his rage a physical appearance and that's what those spikes are for) and neither was he sun amped in WW 219. Wonder Woman saying Zoom punches harder than Superman directly contradicts what was shown under the same writer. That's all.