Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Not really, sure what a sword or shield really adds here. If her lasso can score her some sort of weapon, she wins. Otherwise, she loses.
Lasso's good for people vulnerable to mind hax, which I gather the worthy aren't. Swords good for chopping high-toughness foes up. She doesn't even have to do anything as tricky as tie someone up with the lasso and fully secure them, she just has to swing the sword and make major wounds.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I think it's hilarious that you MEN take Mary Sue seriously. There, I said it. There is no freaking way she can compete with the big boys and it's a shame that you guys buy what D.C. is selling hook, line and sinker. She's a freaking woman! She can't compete with MEN. Why is that so hard to understand? Do you all get smacked around by woman? No, and I don't either. So why do you think that Mary Sue is capable of competing with MEN on her level? What are you, mice or men? What are you working out for, to get beat up by a women who is 2 3rds of your weight? Geez...
Hah! That's so dumb...
One of the famous skilled duelists in France- real life France- was a woman. Why? Because swords don't care *that* much about how big your muscles are, and she was fast and skilled and beat man after man, making money as a professional duelist. And that's with real life limits and only a piece of metal as an equalizer, not, like, the weapons of the gods and divine strength and speed.
Diana is, to begin with, from a race of superhuman immortals stronger than normal humans (A Bana Amazon can carry as much as an adult male soldier when she was *10*). Then she's got the blessings of the gods to give her power totally unrelated to anything like muscle size- just like every other top tier. How Super someone is has nothing to do with muscle size.
Like a poster above said- by your logic, Spidey shouldn't be able to compete with Batman due to Bruce having bigger guns.
Or Captain Marvel shouldn't be able to beat much of anyone, because he's a little kid.
What matters is how much super you've got and how you use it, nothing else. The sexism reasoning is just dumb.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Ah, NO. What does the power source have to do with anything? Is Hulk able to compete with Thor, yes or no? Thor is the blessed son of Odin and Hulk is a geek who got caught in a geek explosion, yet they are peers.
But according to your logic, Thor shouldn't be able to be a peer to Hulk because of the size of their guns.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
It's funny how every one is on her teet, yet not ONE of her fans could honestly claim she is the equal of Superman or his better. I may be looked upon as the bad guy in this thread, but the jokes on them! ✅
How is the joke on us when we think WW is 'near but a bit below Superman' and your own opinion is way off? 😆 That applies to Captain Marvel and most others too. I mean, she *has* beaten Superman when he fights too aggressively, after all.
Mind you, even though "Same tier, but with an edge to Supes," is my opinion, and what the comics normally indicate,
Sometimes the comics say their own thing (JLA, John Byrne run).
Q99 reminded me...
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
It's funny how every one is on her teet, yet not ONE of her fans could honestly claim she is the equal of Superman or his better. I may be looked upon as the bad guy in this thread, but the jokes on them! ✅
She doesn't have to be Superman's peer. But...
Superman and Thor are peers, not arguable.
Let's say WW is below Superman. Not by much, but still, below.
A wounded Thor tore through Angrir whilst fighting Nuul at the same time.
ABC logic seems to be the only way to get through to you..
I'll let your draw your own conclusions, but you might hurt yourself.
Originally posted by Q99
How is the joke on us when we think WW is 'near but a bit below Superman' and your own opinion is way off? 😆 That applies to Captain Marvel and most others too. I mean, she *has* beaten Superman when he fights too aggressively, after all.Mind you, even though "Same tier, but with an edge to Supes," is my opinion, and what the comics normally indicate,
Sometimes the comics say their own thing (JLA, John Byrne run).
Then you would be WRONG. Captain Marvel is not below Superman, but he and Superman are above Wonderwoman. Everyone knows that.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Q99 reminded me...She doesn't have to be Superman's peer. But...
Superman and Thor are peers, not arguable.
Let's say WW is below Superman. Not by much, but still, below.
A wounded Thor tore through Angrir whilst fighting Nuul at the same time.
ABC logic seems to be the only way to get through to you..
I'll let your draw your own conclusions, but you might hurt yourself.
Well my friend, I might or might not hurt myself by at least I didn't let someone else's point go completely over my head like you did. Second time around, the point is that Wonder Woman would be Superman's equal if it weren't for the fact that she is a WOMAN. She has every reason to beat him, but she can't. She is supposedly faster in combat and she is blessed by the patheon- magic. So what's the problem? The problem is that she is a woman and she can't beat the man at her level. It's biology.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I said that with respect to a man and woman's guns. Bigger, stronger MALE muscles. Now, do you understand or are you going to ask me the same thing again? 😘
What does biology have to do with it???
The gain their powers from different sources.
One source can be more powerful than the other (so for example, getting your power from a source like Odin > getting your power from a minor god . Or they can derive more power from their source (so the Leader and the Hulk both got their powers from the same source, but Hulk gets more power. Or a better example is Batman making more use of his human physiology than say, Booster Gold).
your argument would be better suited to arguing Valkyrie and Thor, as they both have similar power sources. Or Mary Marvel and Billy Batson.
Your comparison of WW and Superman, or WW and Rulk and Angrir, is nonsensical, because you're not comparing like with like.
But why don't you and I debate. You ran away from the Proxima Midnight/WW thread, so I am calling you out here. Feel honoured. Back your assertions up with proof.
Post some scans of Angrir having resistance to magical weapons, perhaps. Or of his speed to react. Or some kind of magical resistance. Or indeed, any of his fights which leads you to believe that he wins.
Beyond the fact he's male, and WW is female. Because that reasoning is retarded in a thread where one is a cosmic experiment gone wrong then amped by the long lost brother of the Norse god Odin, and the other is an immortal clay statue given life by the Greek gods.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Then you would be WRONG. Captain Marvel is not below Superman, but he and Superman are above Wonderwoman. Everyone knows that.
Funny, she has wins against Supes, CM doesn't, and they're both tapped to stalemate Superman about as often. She's stalemated CM (when they were both champions of the Greek/Roman pantheons, respectively. It should be noted they have nigh-identical power sources, and thus nigh-identical performances head-to-head makes a lot of sense). Her lasso lets her de-transform CM (as done multiple times). Superman dubbed her, not CM, Earth's next line of defense if he went missing.
It is curious how your 'everyone knows that' doesn't line up with fight records in the comics themselves, isn't it? It's more that you're just assuming CM is stronger, and not a rough equal, based on your own biases.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I said that with respect to a man and woman's guns. Bigger, stronger MALE muscles. Now, do you understand or are you going to ask me the same thing again? 😘
So to you, muscle size difference only matters when comparing different genders?
You are an idiot.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Then you would be WRONG. Captain Marvel is not below Superman, but he and Superman are above Wonderwoman. Everyone knows that.
Originally posted by Q99
Funny, she has wins against Supes, CM doesn't, and they're both tapped to stalemate Superman about as often. She's stalemated CM (when they were both champions of the Greek/Roman pantheons, respectively. It should be noted they have nigh-identical power sources, and thus nigh-identical performances head-to-head makes a lot of sense). Her lasso lets her de-transform CM (as done multiple times). Superman dubbed her, not CM, Earth's next line of defense if he went missing.It is curious how your 'everyone knows that' doesn't line up with fight records in the comics themselves, isn't it? It's more that you're just assuming CM is stronger, and not a rough equal, based on your own biases.
So to you, muscle size difference only matters when comparing different genders?
You are an idiot.
and a douchenozzle to boot
