Rao Kal El
And when you have someone who is 3 times weaker than you trading 15 punches to 1 against you (which you may or may not connect) then it becomes pretty clear who has the advantage.
Quite true! A fact a lot of people overlook when it comes to her HtH skills and bracer defense- a little less muscle strength does not translate into a fight disadvantage if she's going to be hitting a lot more.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Really? That's why he beat up a group consisting of her, kyle, j'onn, guy gardner while having a broken arm.
I can't help but noticing Wonder Woman's not even remotely near 'down' in that. Actually, it's kinda weird, page 22 shows her punching him (and him reacting like it hurt), page 23 has him holding the lasso and getting away from her while she's just holding her head like she's got a headache but looks in much better shape than him, and in fact he doesn't so much as punch her once. I mean, pretty good escape for him there, but he hardly 'beat them all up.'
Also, I know full well you've been exposed to tones of examples of WW doing high feats, Abhilegend. And you know my opinion on you ignoring all the damage Wondy did to Superman in Sacrifice- like I often say, you can't make an argument by ignoring half the facts.
She doesn't have any wins against Superman. Cap has two wins against her though, one in Underworld Unleashed and in JLA/JSA virtue and vice.
In Virtue and Vice, he did take her down, but that was gluttony possessed Captain Marvel who'd stolen the power of Mary, CM3, and Black Adam. So, heck yea a CM who's probably twice as strong as normal is gonna take her out, that CM was well above Supes too. Also, it was her lasso who took him out a moment later, demonstrating the effectiveness of her arsenal against him.
In Underworld Unleashed... well, thank you for bringing that up.
What you consider not-a-win for Wondy: "I, Superman, have had my *throat cut open*, am kneeling with my hands around my throat, and fail to act even when I strongly want to stop her from doing something, and it takes about 20 seconds to close so I can remove my hands (and this is actually timed in the recording, btw, not an estimate -Q). Also I was walking with a limp earlier where she kicked me, and ditto holding my side where she hit there."
Or: "I, Superman, have been controlled by Circe and filled with rage, and covered with doomsday spikes, growing visibly more muscled. While dumber, I have lost no power whatsoever, look to have gained some, will attack relentlessly, and one of Wondy's other foes stole her lasso at the start of the fight. Woops, even with those advantages she lassoed me!" (Even if you don't count this as a 'Supes loss', it's still a victory against an easily High Herald foe!)
What you consider a win against Wonder Woman: "I, Captain Marvel, got her lasso and, I dunno, maybe did something off-panel? Possibly it was the effects of something one of the others did, Flash ran right by her. Well, she seems to have a headache, though she is clearly conscious and has no visible wounds. I'm outa here!"
The double standard is astounding.
It's really quite hard to take you seriously when your argument relies so much on ignoring data on one hand, and massively overstating on the other.
