angrir vs classic diana w/weapons · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

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I think everyone is getting Blue Vet wrong.

He is just saying that logically We men are stronger than Women, that is just how nature made us. Up to that point I agree with him.

But I still think Diana wins, even if that muscle logic were to somehow apply, she has her gear and warrior born training plus her reflexes and speed.

Even if she were 3 times weaker than the male opponent (which I don't think she is) She is much much faster than him.

And when you have someone who is 3 times weaker than you trading 15 punches to 1 against you (which you may or may not connect) then it becomes pretty clear who has the advantage.

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Originally posted by Q99
Funny, she has wins against Supes, CM doesn't, and they're both tapped to stalemate Superman about as often. She's stalemated CM (when they were both champions of the Greek/Roman pantheons, respectively. It should be noted they have nigh-identical power sources, and thus nigh-identical performances head-to-head makes a lot of sense). Her lasso lets her de-transform CM (as done multiple times). Superman dubbed her, not CM, Earth's next line of defense if he went missing.
It is curious how your 'everyone knows that' doesn't line up with fight records in the comics themselves, isn't it? It's more that you're just assuming CM is stronger, and not a rough equal, based on your own biases.
So to you, muscle size difference only matters when comparing different genders?
You are an idiot.

Thanks, and you are an ignoramus for thinking men and women's muscles are the same.

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Originally posted by Warlord
is that....sexism I'm smelling in this thread?

No, but it might be some PC bs.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Q99
Funny, she has wins against Supes, CM doesn't, and they're both tapped to stalemate Superman about as often. She's stalemated CM (when they were both champions of the Greek/Roman pantheons, respectively. It should be noted they have nigh-identical power sources, and thus nigh-identical performances head-to-head makes a lot of sense). Her lasso lets her de-transform CM (as done multiple times). Superman dubbed her, not CM, Earth's next line of defense if he went missing.
It is curious how your 'everyone knows that' doesn't line up with fight records in the comics themselves, isn't it? It's more that you're just assuming CM is stronger, and not a rough equal, based on your own biases.
So to you, muscle size difference only matters when comparing different genders?
You are an idiot.

She doesn't have any wins against Superman. Cap has two wins against her though, one in Underworld Unleashed and in JLA/JSA virtue and vice. Also Cap was weakened in WOTG where she stalemated him.

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Originally posted by Rao Kal El
that is just how nature made us.

But....no. Not in this case. Not in the case of a fictional comic book character who is a clay statue given life and given blessings from the gods. You're (and he) are not comparing like for like.

Fine, in the real world, take the average man and the average woman, and yes, the man would be stronger. There will always be outliers, but on average, men are stronger.

In comics, when dealing with clay princesses and irradiated spider people? Who the frell knows. We then have to throw real world 'logic' out the window, and use their feats and showings. And WW, on panel, has shown that she has the strength to match and beat heralds.

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Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I think everyone is getting Blue Vet wrong.
He is just saying that logically We men are stronger than Women, that is just how nature made us. Up to that point I agree with him.
But I still think Diana wins, even if that muscle logic were to somehow apply, she has her gear and warrior born training plus her reflexes and speed.
Even if she were 3 times weaker than the male opponent (which I don't think she is) She is much much faster than him.
And when you have someone who is 3 times weaker than you trading 15 punches to 1 against you (which you may or may not connect) then it becomes pretty clear who has the advantage.

You about three times smarter than the metrosexuals arguing with me. What I am saying is not at all difficult to understand. Kindergartners understand that men are stronger than women. Oh and by the way, my publicist advised me not to take any more questions on the anatomical differences between men and women.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by zopzop
She is NOT below CM. She's easily his peer (if not more powerful). All this is without bringing in her gear, with them, she's clearly his superior.

Really? That's why he beat up a group consisting of her, kyle, j'onn, guy gardner while having a broken arm.

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Hardly the best example....they were like zombies in that fight.

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Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
You about three times smarter than the metrosexuals arguing with me. What I am saying is not at all difficult to understand. Kindergartners understand that men are stronger than women. Oh and by the way, my publicist advised me not to take any more questions on the anatomical differences between men and women.

But why don't you and I debate. You ran away from the Proxima Midnight/WW thread, so I am calling you out here. Feel honoured. Back your assertions up with proof.
Post some scans of Angrir having resistance to magical weapons, perhaps. Or of his speed to react. Or some kind of magical resistance. Or indeed, any of his fights which leads you to believe that he wins.
Beyond the fact he's male, and WW is female. Because that reasoning is retarded in a thread where one is a cosmic experiment gone wrong then amped by the long lost brother of the Norse god Odin, and the other is an immortal clay statue given life by the Greek gods.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hardly the best example....they were like zombies in that fight.

Yet, WW fangirls don't have any problem citing WOTG where Cap was mindcontrolled and weakened.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
Yet, WW fangirls don't have any problem citing WOTG where Cap was mindcontrolled and weakened.

I have problems with it. 😠 😠

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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But....no. Not in this case. Not in the case of a fictional comic book character who is a clay statue given life and given blessings from the gods. You're (and he) are not comparing like for like.
Fine, in the real world, take the average man and the average woman, and yes, the man would be stronger. There will always be outliers, but on average, men are stronger.
In comics, when dealing with clay princesses and irradiated spider people? Who the frell knows. We then have to throw real world 'logic' out the window, and use their feats and showings. And WW, on panel, has shown that she has the strength to match and beat heralds.

So all this about a ball of clay? Hell, why not a collection of molecules? You can minimize the argument in an effort to win, but at the cost off the argument being completely ridiculous and meaningless.

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Originally posted by DarkSaint85

I ran from nothing. I can't even say nice try. Looks like you are quitting on the argument that mean are overwhelmingly stronger than women and for good reason.

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So you're saying they're the same?

What about Wonder Woman and say......Captain America? Oh, your argument will probably be because he is only peak human.

How about Wonder Woman and Luke Cage? Spiderman? Wolverine? Curt Connors? Beast? All of them have superhuman strength, are male, and some of them have bigger guns.

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Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I ran from nothing. I can't even say nice try. Looks like you are quitting on the argument that mean are overwhelmingly stronger than women and for good reason.

I thought you quit, because your publicist told you so. If you really want to go for it, then let's go. Carver and others know I will not back down and let it go for weeks on end.

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Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I ran from nothing. I can't even say nice try. Looks like you are quitting on the argument that mean are overwhelmingly stronger than women and for good reason.
By the way, didn't you admit wt was stronger? If so, why are you engaging in this argument?

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Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
By the way, didn't you admit wt was stronger? If so, why are you engaging in this argument?

Show some scans, please. What makes you think Worthy Thing is stronger?

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But why don't you and I debate. You ran away from the Proxima Midnight/WW thread, so I am calling you out here. Feel honoured. Back your assertions up with proof.

Post some scans of Angrir having resistance to magical weapons, perhaps. Or of his speed to react. Or some kind of magical resistance. Or indeed, any of his fights which leads you to believe that he wins.

Beyond the fact he's male, and WW is female. Because that reasoning is retarded in a thread where one is a cosmic experiment gone wrong then amped by the long lost brother of the Norse god Odin, and the other is an immortal clay statue given life by the Greek gods.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I have problems with it. 😠 😠

You are a WW fangirl?

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I have no real feeling one way or the other about her. so wouldn't class me as a fan.

Or a girl. Though it would be strange for you guys after all this time if that was a lie and I turned out to be one, right?