Originally posted by ares834
Less idiotic than her and her companion just standing there. Heck throwing the barrels against one another would even create sparks.
Dude, just accept it, she sabers them then tanks the explosion. If the developers wanted her to just saber throw or do it another way, they'd have her ignite them that way.
Anyway, as Supreme says, the Barsen'thor has other feats. She's clobbered down impenetrable vault doors, tossed aside bus-sized chunks of metal and defeated the First Son. Remember, the First Son was able to do what Sidious did (hide from all Jedi senses) on hundreds of people. And he's said to be far more powerful than a usual Child of the Emperor.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Dude, just accept it, she sabers them then tanks the explosion. If the developers wanted her to just saber throw or do it another way, they'd have her ignite them that way.
Or, you know, it's a gameplay mechanic which it certainly seems to be.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Anyway, as Supreme says, the Barsen'thor has other feats. She's clobbered down impenetrable vault doors, tossed aside bus-sized chunks of metal and defeated the First Son. Remember, the First Son was able to do what Sidious did (hide from all Jedi senses) on hundreds of people. And he's said to be far more powerful than a usual Child of the Emperor.
I'm not saying she is unimpressive, but I honestly don't see any of that being beyond what Revan has done. That's not to say I could see Revan replicating all of her feats, he couldn't. But I'd give him an edge in a battle.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I disagree. Malak was powerful and everything, but he wasn't amped to the same degree that Vivicar was. And Vivicar/Morrhage at least rivals Malak in power by himself.
It shall also be noted that Vivicar's corruptive influence was so strong at that point that only Barsen'thor had an answer for it (from the Jedi camp) with a special talent, if I am not mistaken. Any other Jedi who came in contact with Vivicar fell in despair or succumbed to his influence.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Also Revan had better support than the Consular did (who at the time only had Qyzen and Theran) in the form of Jolee, Juhani, Canderous, Carth, HK etc. And the Barsen'thor was greatly weakened right from the start.
I am not asserting that Revan's "Star Forge based showing" is superior to that of Barsen'thor's "quest to stop Vivicar" but the two events are comparable holistically.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah, and the Barsen'thor 'embodies true skill.'
Maybe this contest is: 30/70 (with 30 in favor of Revan)?
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Give Revan some holistic credit. I think that he is Plagueis tier at least.
No.
Originally posted by ares834
Or, you know, it's a gameplay mechanic which it certainly seems to be.
It isn't a mechanic just because it occurs in gameplay. The developers easily could have had her ignite it another way. They have the animations. Have her pull out a blaster, or set explosives or throw her lightsaber etc.... they could have done those just as easily as how they had her ignite them. Hell, the Consulars standard method of igniting barrels in gameplay is to use a Force push. Instead they had her use her lightsaber, which had to have been more effort on their part that just using her default method of the Force.
Originally posted by ares834
I'm not saying she is unimpressive, but I honestly don't see any of that being beyond what Revan has done. That's not to say I could see Revan replicating all of her feats, he couldn't. But I'd give him an edge in a battle.
Well, I disagree. In terms of TK at least she seems superior. She can do things that he cannot, as you say, because she's more powerful.
Why would you give him the edge?
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Well, I disagree. In terms of TK at least she seems superior. She can do things that he cannot, as you say, because she's more powerful.
I get Barsy threw around some statues and doors, but honestly Revan just poured astreoids from the sky...I don't know how heavy each one was, but it gotta be heavy.
Heres some nerd dude calculating the weight of it (It's not canon but still neat): http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=19652
Originally posted by Nephthys
It isn't a mechanic just because it occurs in gameplay. The developers easily could have had her ignite it another way. They have the animations. Have her pull out a blaster, or set explosives or throw her lightsaber etc.... they could have done those just as easily as how they had her ignite them. Hell, the Consulars [b]standard method of igniting barrels in gameplay is to use a Force push. Instead they had her use her lightsaber, which had to have been more effort on their part that just using her default method of the Force. [/B]
And? It's like a character surviving a light-saber strike or a grenade it just appear to be the absurdity of gameplay. Now, if we saw her use the force to protect herself or her companion I'd agree that she did it. But we don't, she just runs through the explosion with nothing suggesting she defended against it. So I just chalk it up to gameplay.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Well, I disagree. In terms of TK at least she seems superior. She can do things that he cannot, as you say, because she's more powerful.Why would you give him the edge?
She does have the edge in TK. But that alone does not give her the win. Revan after-all was able to take Vitiate's force push.
Revan, by contrast, seems to have the better combat feats like the Nyriss one. Or briefly holding his own against Vitiate. Even the boarding of the Starforge is comparable to JC's Vivicar feat IMO.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
It is possible that Vivicar was more powerful and dangerous then even (prime) Malak at that point, if he was indeed drawing on the power of hundreds of individuals to fuel his own.It shall also be noted that Vivicar's corruptive influence was so strong at that point that only Barsen'thor had an answer for it (from the Jedi camp) with a special talent, if I am not mistaken. Any other Jedi who came in contact with Vivicar fell in despair or succumbed to his influence.
I think so. Of course, Revan had to defeat Malak multiple times. Buuuut the Barsen'thor was greatly weakened at the time she faced Vivicar.
Yes, his plague.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
From Revan's support crew, only 2 accompanied him inside the Star Forge but this support ended at Bastila's position. Still, Malak's commander was continuously monitoring Revan's progress inside the Star Forge and Revan did most of the work according to him.I am not asserting that Revan's "Star Forge based showing" is superior to that of Barsen'thor's "quest to stop Vivicar" but the two events are comparable holistically.
I know, I was just pointing out that Revan's crew was more impressive than the Barsen'thors was at the time. Tharen is an inventor and Qyzen is a game hunter. Meanwhile Revan had two Jedi, the future Mandalore and HK-47 to pick from.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Well...Maybe this contest is: 30/70 (with 30 in favor of Revan)?
😂
Give Revan some holistic credit. I think that he is Plagueis tier at least.
Don't get me wrong, I give Revan respect. His mastery of the Force was something rivaled by few and surpassed by only the best. I just think the Barsen'thor is better than him.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
nope. He says this: "Soon , the combined strength of all your masters will make the most powerful force adept who has ever lived!"
Soon as in when he infects all the Jedi Masters in the Order. The only reason why he brought it up was to point out to the Consular how he had already won since he was siphoning it already.