Barsen'thor vs Revan

It is impressive I'd say. But I don't see the use really in the fight specifically since we don't know how he exactly does it.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Plus, if we count a certain unique game mechanic (like we do with Revan), the First Son starts to wreck the entire damn cave with TK.

If so that's pretty good, but still doesn't put him on Revan's level. Dooku, for example, is shown effortlessly collapsing a cave. Heck, isn't one of the TOR masters also capable of such a feat?

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
turning invisible in combat is also pretty ****ing useful, plus considering how powerful the barsen'thor's force defenses are....

Take Nyriss vs. Meetra for example. Nyriss has very powerful lightning, no? Nyriss's lightning tore through Meetra's force barrier and knocked her on her ass. Similarly, The First Son put the Barsen'thor on her ass, the barsen'thor having way more powerful force defenses than Meetra. And by the time she got force pushed, i'm pretty sure the barsen'thor would put up at least some form of defense. If she didn't, then she doesn't embody true skill.

That assumes that she her defenses up but we see nothing of the sort. It seems he simply caught her off guard like the beginning of the Yoda/Sidious fight.

Orgus Din's thing is slightly overrated.

edit: Fair enough. however considering the good fight he gave the barsen'thor, i'd say he's hardly that much weaker if not just as powerful as Revan.

How do we know he gave her a good fight though? Thats the problem. Thanaton, for example, certainly didn't give Nox a good fight.

we know he gave her a good fight through another unique game mechanic, known as, "will of Syo", which is when the First Son literally starts to heal you, showing Syo trying to break the First Son's domination over his mind. If this ability were not used the entire fight, it would be an impossible battle to win.

Umm, not sure how that implies that it was a good fight. Specifically since that is treading dangerously close to gameplay mechanics and health bars.

....Because it showed that Syo also had some hand in his defeat? Because that the SWTORE plus the codex explain it as if it was a good fight, like saying the Consular "finally" defeated the first son, or that she, "ultimately" triumphs? This is completely different from the Thanaton thing, which says that Nox utterly destroyed Thanaton.

So? Is there any reason to believe that the JC wouldn't have defeated him regardless (outside of gameplay mechanics)?

editted meh post.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
....Because it showed that Syo also had some hand in his defeat? Because that the SWTORE plus the codex explain it as if it was a good fight, like saying the Consular "finally" defeated the first son, or that she, "ultimately" triumphs? This is completely different from the Thanaton thing, which says that Nox utterly destroyed Thanaton.

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That still doesn't mean the battle was close at all. That she "finally" or "ultimately" beat him could just as easily imply that it took awhile to find and defeat the First Son.

For example, one could say "Nox finally defeats Thanaton" and be correct despite the fact that Nox appears to thrash Thanaton in their battle.

Originally posted by ares834
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That still doesn't mean the battle was close at all. That she "finally" or "ultimately" beat him could just as easily imply that it took awhile to find and defeat the First Son.

LeGenD has the SWTORE quote, and I don't think it implies anything about it taking a while to find and defeat him.

the very definition of finally is: after a long time, typically involving difficulty or delay.

Yes, and like I said that could refer to the whole quest not just their duel but the whole quest for looking for the First Son as well.

As for the quote all is see in SWTORE is, "The Councilor ultimately defeats the First Son and emerges victorious." Yeah, not really seeing how that means the duel was difficult at all. At best, it is inconclusive proof that the duel took a bit of time.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I just wish Barsen'thor had one saber feat or accolade. Oneeeee!

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In addition, Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia which holistically examines the entire ancient timeline of Jedi and Sith, reveals following to be absolute masters of the Force among the Sith (in no specific order):

1. Marka Ragnos (Original)
2. Darth Marr
3. First Son

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
If this helps: Jedi Master Syo (First Son) was a remarkably skilled duelist. 😉

How so?

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
How so?

quotepls. sounds interesting.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
quotepls. sounds interesting.

Thought Master Syo's martial prowess was impressive, he found no solace in serving on the front lines.

Keep in mind that ever member of the Jedi High Council in this time is a skilled duelist. Syo is among the standouts.

What a tremendous accolade! Clearly his lightsaber skills are among the best if he is called "impressive."

lol.

Lol. For the record swtore does say that the Consular is a skilled swordsman and that its a mistake to assume they weren't.

Originally posted by ares834
What a tremendous accolade! Clearly his lightsaber skills are among the best if he is called "impressive."

Revan have been described as "Jedi Order's most powerful champion" in a novel dedicated to him. However, in an encyclopedia, he is just stated to "powerful" and "mighty."

Heck, even Satele Shan have not been praised in the context of her dueling abilities in the encyclopedia featuring her. However, we know from her footages that she is very skilled duelist.

So if Syo Bakarn have gotten some nod for his dueling skills in an encyclopedia, he is most likely a remarkably skilled duelist.