That doesn't mean that at all. Rewatch the conversation. 14.06:
"This battle was decided before you stepped aboard."
"Explain yourself."
"My plague siphons power from its victims."
Vivicar knew the Consular was coming since he'd possessed Yuon Par when they found him. He performed the rituals and was fully prepared for the Consular before she'd even stepped aboard. Thats why he says the battle had already been decided.
Doubtful. She is near the top though. I put at 4th on my list of Most Powerful Jedi personally.
Originally posted by ares834
And? It's like a character surviving a light-saber strike or a grenade it just appear to be the absurdity of gameplay. Now, if we saw her use the force to protect herself or her companion I'd agree that she did it. But we don't, she just runs through the explosion with nothing suggesting she defended against it. So I just chalk it up to gameplay.
Thats not like that at all. This is something that is mentioned in the questlog and mentioned in such a way to highly suggest that it occurred as it does ("Ignite the explosive barrels to blow open the hangar doors"😉. Thats just gameplay combat.
Originally posted by ares834
She does have the edge in TK. But that alone does not give her the win. Revan after-all was able to take Vitiate's force push.Revan, by contrast, seems to have the better combat feats like the Nyriss one. Or briefly holding his own against Vitiate. Even the boarding of the Starforge is comparable to JC's Vivicar feat IMO.
True. But he was still overpowered by that push.
His combat feat against Nyriss won't help him against the Barsen'thor since she doesn't use Force Lightning. As for Vitiate, he did so well partially because he had prep against Vitiates telepathy.
Either way, I see her as superior in Force use and a better fighter all around.
Think about it sensibly though: Look at darth nox for example. She'd gained the power of 4 sith lords (albeit powerful ones) and a voss mystic. this explosively augmented her power to extreme heights. Now if we had a sith lord legitimately siphoning power from hundreds of jedi masters, you get completely insurmountable.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Soon as in when he infects all the Jedi Masters in the Order. The only reason why he brought it up was to point out to the Consular how he had already won since he was siphoning it already.
Supreme misquoted Vivicar rather he says, ""Soon, the combined strength of your masters will make me the most powerful force adept who has ever lived!"
There is no mention of the word "all", so while your evidence suggests he may have started he clearly hasn't siphoned the combined might yet when he confronted by the JC if he started at all that is.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Thats not like that at all. This is something that is mentioned in the questlog and mentioned in such a way to highly suggest that it occurred as it does ("Ignite the explosive barrels to blow open the hangar doors"😉. Thats just gameplay combat.
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Nah, don't see it. I'd need actual evidence that shows she is actually blocking against it before I view it as anything other than a gameplay mechanic.
Originally posted by Nephthys
True. But he was still overpowered by that push.
Yes, and Vitiate is more impressive than the JC when it comes to TK. As he is, according to you, capable of tearing down the Dark Temple immediately upon dying.
Originally posted by Nephthys
His combat feat against Nyriss won't help him against the Barsen'thor since she doesn't use Force Lightning. As for Vitiate, he did so well partially because he had prep against Vitiates telepathy.Either way, I see her as superior in Force use and a better fighter all around.
Fair enough.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Think about it sensibly though: Look at darth nox for example. She'd gained the power of 4 sith lords (albeit powerful ones) and a voss mystic. this explosively augmented her power to extreme heights. Now if we had a sith lord legitimately siphoning power from hundreds of jedi masters, you get completely insurmountable.
I didn't say he drained all their power (as Nox had access to), but I still don't think it was an insignificant amount. Even if it was only.... 10%? from each, that still adds up to an enormous boost.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
10% of 100's of jedi masters>What Nox was receiving. Nox>>>Act 1 Barsen'thor.
Ok, fair point. Maybe it wasn't that severe of a boost. But theres nothing suggesting that the Consular was actually as or more powerful than Vivicar was. She could have made up for a gap in power through raw skill.
Originally posted by ares834
Supreme misquoted Vivicar rather he says, ""Soon, the combined strength of your masters will make me the most powerful force adept who has ever lived!"There is no mention of the word "all", so while your evidence suggests he may have started he clearly hasn't siphoned the combined might yet when he confronted by the JC if he started at all that is.
I only highlighted the word 'all' as an afterthought. I doesn't matter if he said that word or not since that is clearly what he was referring to.
Originally posted by ares834
😬Nah, don't see it. I'd need actual evidence that shows she is actually blocking against it before I view it as anything other than a gameplay mechanic.
I've offered solid evidence/arguments that she destroyed it with her lightsaber so it doesn't matter if they showed her blocking it or not. Unless you think she tanked the explosion with her robes. 😉
Originally posted by ares834
Yes, and Vitiate is more impressive than the JC when it comes to TK. As he is, according to you, capable of tearing down the Dark Temple immediately upon dying.
Fair enough.
Why? He has done nothing to suggest as such.
I could see why people are saying the JC is more impressive as she actually has some nice feats and accolades but the First Son... Nah. Thats a pretty unsubstantiated position.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I only highlighted the word 'all' as an afterthought. I doesn't matter if he said that word or not since that is clearly what he was referring to.
Nah, he just seems to be referring to the masters he has already infected and is potentially siphoning from. No reason to believe he is referring to other Jedi Masters as well.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I've offered solid evidence/arguments that she destroyed it with her lightsaber so it doesn't matter if they showed her blocking it or not. Unless you think she tanked the explosion with her robes. 😉
Damn good robes then.
So? Did she attempt to block it? And concealing yourself in the force is inconsequential when it comes to battle.
Edit: yeah watched the confrontation his surprise force push and lightning did virtually nothing to the JC and her companion. I stand be my original assertion, saying the First Son is more powerful than Revan is completely unfounded.
Having Sidious level concealment shows a great deal for his power
turning invisible in combat is also pretty ****ing useful, plus considering how powerful the barsen'thor's force defenses are....
Take Nyriss vs. Meetra for example. Nyriss has very powerful lightning, no? Nyriss's lightning tore through Meetra's force barrier and knocked her on her ass. Similarly, The First Son put the Barsen'thor on her ass, the barsen'thor having way more powerful force defenses than Meetra. And by the time she got force pushed, i'm pretty sure the barsen'thor would put up at least some form of defense. If she didn't, then she doesn't embody true skill.
Plus, if we count a certain unique game mechanic (like we do with Revan), the First Son starts to wreck the entire damn cave with TK.