Thor vs HP Doomsday (CIS off)

Originally posted by abhilegend
What amp? It was all an illusion that Tanaraus had replaced Thor in his adventures.

Karnilla along with magics from the Weird Sisters cast an illusion on everybody that transposed Tanarus(Ulik) into Thor's history. Tanarus however definitely was given a clear amp other than the illusion of him being an Asgardian. He was performing Thor like feats during Thor's absence. Feats (flight, lightning strikes, hammer tosses, etc.) that he would have never been able to do if he did not have the increase to his abilities and overall powers. He was even fighting along side the Avengers during this period. It was clear he received an amp which probably came from Karnilla's machinations and ultimately put him beyond his normal levels. To say otherwise is just complete ignorance.

At one point during their fight the writer narrated through Loki, "Everything about them was thunder. Everything about Ulik and Thor in combat sounded like Ragnarok itself was unfurling."

Thor simply stopped holding back when he realized Ulik was trying to kill his own mother. Looking throughout his history, no one should be surprised what Thor is capable of when he simply stops messing around.

Originally posted by Damborgson
It did what I quoted it did. It's literally saying that he gave them that blast. It's not lowballing, it's you misinterpreting the feat to your benefit.

I would want to compare feats, and I will, but it'll consist of you lowballing mine, highballing yours, posting out of context, getting pissy, and exposing your last word complex. So as fun as it sounds, I don't see anything beneficial coming from it. *shrug* we can though, it's whatever.

Thor's a warrior. He likes the pain and rage of close combat. It's very understandable. Thor fights smart when he wants to, that's when he makes guys like the void his toy by slamming them up and down with lightning and staying in the air the entire time. And CIS is off anyhow

They're not Thor. Thor's arguably > either of them, and he's not going to continue to fight Doomsday in hand to hand after he finds out that he's going to lose. But if Thor can last against Mangog, he can last long enough against DD to get in gear under these stips and step it up.

I would have put Ulik around high meta before the amp. With it and the added versatility that came with it, he was easily herald.

Long enough to win? No. Long enough to figure out it's time to take different measures? Absolutely.

Thor produced enough power to make CW Hercules ask wtf just hit him after he'd brushed off the power from the council of skyfathers. He can hold up if he feels like it.

Originally posted by h1a8
I don't believe the Godblast is more powerful than the OB that was in the HP arc. The OB, at half power, vaporized a missile that Superman, using all his might, couldn't put a scratch on.
DD tanked the attack. So it's fair to say that DD will take a Godblast.
Also, Thor could only do the blast for a limited amount of time.

DD not only will tank the Godblast but will grow more resistant to it or any other energy attacks.

Then you have the problem of DD blitzing Thor or evolving a counter to Thor staying in the air away from DD.

This proves that DD wins. End of thread

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Wrong.

Karnilla along with magics from the Weird Sisters cast an illusion on everybody that transposed Tanarus(Ulik) into Thor's history.

Tanarus however definitely was given a clear amp other than the illusion of him being an Asgardian. He was performing Thor like feats during Thor's absence. Feats (flight, lightning strikes, hammer tosses, etc.) that he would have never been able to do if he did not have the increase to his abilities and overall powers.

He was even fighting along side the Avengers during this period. It was clear he received an amp which probably came from Karnilla's machinations and ultimately put him beyond his normal levels. To say otherwise is just complete ignorance.

At one point during their fight the writer narrated through Loki, "Everything about them was thunder. Everything about Ulik and Thor in combat sounded like Ragnarok itself was unfurling."

Thor simply stopped holding back when he realized Ulik was trying to kill his own mother. Looking throughout his history, no one should be surprised what Thor is capable of when he simply stops messing around.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Wrong.

Karnilla along with magics from the Weird Sisters cast an illusion on everybody that transposed Tanarus(Ulik) into Thor's history. Tanarus however definitely was given a clear amp other than the illusion of him being an Asgardian. He was performing Thor like feats during Thor's absence. Feats (flight, lightning strikes, hammer tosses, etc.) that he would have never been able to do if he did not have the increase to his abilities and overall powers. He was even fighting along side the Avengers during this period. It was clear he received an amp which probably came from Karnilla's machinations and ultimately put him beyond his normal levels. To say otherwise is just complete ignorance.

At one point during their fight the writer narrated through Loki, "Everything about them was thunder. Everything about Ulik and Thor in combat sounded like Ragnarok itself was unfurling."

Thor simply stopped holding back when he realized Ulik was trying to kill his own mother. Looking throughout his history, no one should be surprised what Thor is capable of when he simply stops messing around.

It wasn't just a mere illusion mate.

I went over the relevant scenes and stuff in this thread if you're interested:
http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,255361.40.html

Originally posted by abhilegend
That doesn't even made any sense. Waverider just altered the nature of the energies since Damage can only absorb specific forms of energy, he didn't enhance it.

Heh, I wouldn't even comment on your feats. How is that for a deal?

Your biography for Thor is cute. CIS off doesn't means he's forum avatar. He would still act like Thor but more all out like Blood and Thunder.

Thor might be > than either of them but combined? You've got to be kidding me. The thing is Thor wouldn't last that much to figure that out. He isn't superman. That's taking one showing and applying it across the whole career of Thor. Thor never lasts too long against Mangog too.

What amp? It was all an illusion that Tanaraus had replaced Thor in his adventures.

Nope.

Superman produced enough power to break Dominus' body in half just after he assraped Kismet. It works both ways.

Neither your nor Galans scans seems to be in agreement with that statement. So it's my word and your scan against your word? I'll let you argue with yourself for a while.

It really doesn't matter. Post a scan if you feel like it, I'll do the same.

Nor did I suggest him to be. Forum avatar Thor beats 10 doomsdays. But he's nonexsistant so whatever. CIS off Thor doesn't mean he gains an enrage or whatever it is your suggesting to limit Thor so DD wins. Which is a typical argument against him, he needs to be limited for most characters to have a chance.

So? You're acting like their durability was stacked. They each took the individual punishment. If Doomsday fought the hammer bros, he'd beat them both in a similar fashion, regardless of their being two of them if they went into extended melee with him. So what? Thor's got so many other tools it hurts. And any I name are on panel showings of thing he's done before. It's not expanding the possibilities of his powers like saying he could just lift him into the air with an indestructible whirlwind then godblast him, which while he could certainly do, has never done in a comic. He has however peppered opponents with lightning and the elements while staying out of reach like against the void or the destroyer.

Thor might not be Superman's physical equal, but he's no slouch. He's probably the closest to him out there. Thor's history is built around taking punishment from stronger opponents. And winning. Ask Mangog, the destroyer, Kurse, etc.

Ulik was given an enchantment and an enchanted weapon to boot. The intention wasn't "It's Ulik with a stick" he was powered up to be put on a level resembling Thor.

Yup. Wow that was easy.

Scans? Preferably with context? And Thor produced enough power to get multiversal Chaos King off of CW Herc.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Forum avatar Thor beats 10 doomsdays.

😐

Originally posted by ares834
😐

My forum avatar Thor would. Don't underestimate my obsession.

Oh also:

Originally posted by abhilegend

Thor isn't that much superior in brainpower than Doomsday when he has like 15 slugfests with Hulk.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Your biography for Thor is cute. CIS off doesn't means he's forum avatar. He would still act like Thor but more all out like Blood and Thunder.

Originally posted by abhilegend
This isn't a comic where the characters forget their powers. Its a forum where the characters would "use their abilities to best in character" means if Superman has shown to blitz characters in character, he can do that untill hulk goes down. He wouldn't stop after a few punches so that hulk would punch him.

You tell me when you've made up your mind sweetie. 👆

Originally posted by Damborgson
Oh also:

You tell me when you've made up your mind sweetie. 👆

See how his reasoning changes with Superman. Awesome.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Oh also:

You tell me when you've made up your mind sweetie. 👆

😂

Yea, some Superfans are like parodies. I assume they're mostly trolling because otherwise it's not possible for them to be legit human beings.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Neither your nor Galans scans seems to be in agreement with that statement. So it's my word and your scan against your word? I'll let you argue with yourself for a while.

And Thor produced enough power to get multiversal Chaos King off of CW Herc.

Originally posted by abhilegend
The key word being it an illusion. In other words he was given a magical tool. How does that means he was amped in durability? He was given extra abilities. Ulik is no slouch (usually) in durability.

Heh, narrative hyperboles are now proof?

He killed Ulik, nothing wrong with that. It doesn't mean he could do anything to Doomsday though.

The point is he was a more powerful version of himself due to Karnilla's magics. How does that not constitute an amp? Smh..

Proof that he met Thor head on as a more powerful version of himself. There was even a panel showing both colliding in mid air during that narration.

Dude he finally killed Ulik with what must have been an extremely powerful Mjolnir charged strike. His skull was the only thing left.
In the same arc, he literally busted through the teeth of a gigantic version off Atum the God Eater. Why downplay the feat?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman produced enough power along with Ultraman to power the cosmic armor.

Sometimes you weaken your credibility when you try to inflate and push stupid things like this (and things like the Superman big bang non-feat)

Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course they do. Its your words against two sets of scans which prove my word.

Their strength while attacking him simultaneously.

Then its not really viable even in a CIS off fight.

In most of fights against them Thor is mostly ineffectual even powerwise.

As soon as you prove he was amped in durability.

Here you go.

He startled Chaos King. Superman produced enough power along with Ultraman to power the cosmic armor.

😂 parroting me, how green. I think I've said enough about that then.

I cut out the parts of your post that were just trolling, and I still see mostly gibberish or responses that don't quite make sense to what you quoted so...I'm not sure how to respond from there.

Thanks for the scans though. Good feat.

See here we have another problem, I come back to see your reply and you're immediately nailed by another poster about this supposed CA power up feat, which leads me to believe it's just another "big bang heat vision" you're trying to pull. A certain level of honesty is expected in order to have any sort of rational debate. Don't disgrace the character you're trying to rep with filthy tactics like that.

We're done here. 👆 feel free to continue

Originally posted by Damborgson

exposing your last word complex.

later

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Ulik already had border line if not herald level durability when taking into account all his battles with Thor. What are u even saying?

The point is he was a more powerful version of himself due to Karnilla's magics. How does that not constitute an amp? Smh..

Proof that he met Thor head on as a more powerful version of himself. There was even a panel showing both colliding in mid air during that narration.

Dude he finally killed Ulik with what must have been an extremely powerful Mjolnir charged strike. His skull was the only thing left.
In the same arc, he literally busted through the teeth of a gigantic version off Atum the God Eater. Why downplay the feat?

He was more powerful, no doubt about it. Was he necessarily more durable? I don't see how anybody can reach that conclusion seeing Thor reduced him to a skeleton.

Yeah, he collided with him. Loki hyping it up isn't a feat though.

That's the thing, hurting or even busting through skyfathers and such is one thing. Beating down or killing top tiers is another. Thor hurt galactus in the same arc but couldn't put down Surfer with several hammer strikes and flat out admitted he can't beat Hulk and never could. Thor was a beast under Fraction, he wasn't a herald killing machine under his own strength though.

Originally posted by Cogito
Sometimes you weaken your credibility when you try to inflate and push stupid things like this (and things like the Superman big bang non-feat)

Originally posted by Damborgson
😂 parroting me, how green. I think I've said enough about that then.

I cut out the parts of your post that were just trolling, and I still see mostly gibberish or responses that don't quite make sense to what you quoted so...I'm not sure how to respond from there.

later

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Ulik already had border line if not herald level durability when taking into account all his battles with Thor. What are u even saying?

The point is he was a more powerful version of himself due to Karnilla's magics. How does that not constitute an amp? Smh..

Proof that he met Thor head on as a more powerful version of himself. There was even a panel showing both colliding in mid air during that narration.

Dude he finally killed Ulik with what must have been an extremely powerful Mjolnir charged strike. His skull was the only thing left.
In the same arc, he literally busted through the teeth of a gigantic version off Atum the God Eater. Why downplay the feat?

That's what Abby and h1 specialize in, downplay the uber feats of every character from Marvel. H1 just called Angir "the least durable high herald ever" after Thor impaled him with Mjolnir.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's the thing though, I'm not making any of this up. I'm just posting what is shown on the page. You calling them a non feat? You must have a proof to prove so.

I don't need to prove a negative, but for you I'll do it anyways.

Allen fused symmetries (Superman & Ultraman), which provided enough energy to "broadcast his pure essence to a receiver in a higher dimension." At no point is there any mention of the duo providing enough energy to power the robot as you claim.

Edit: Ok, you posted the same thing at the same time.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Quantum Superman combines Superman and Ultraman's energies after totally reducing them to their consciousness via matter/antimatter reaction and then transmits it to cosmic armor "in a higher dimension". On the next page Cosmic Armor is activated with superman in charge of it. What am I supposed to think? Some random energy source powered it?