Originally posted by Cogito
I don't need to prove a negative, but for you I'll do it anyways.
Allen fused symmetries (Superman & Ultraman), which provided enough energy to "broadcast his pure essence to a receiver in a higher dimension." At no point is there any mention of the duo providing enough energy to power the robot as you claim.
Don't bother, I already pointed this out. But you know....
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Originally posted by Cogito
I don't need to prove a negative, but for you I'll do it anyways.
Allen fused symmetries (Superman & Ultraman), which provided enough energy to "broadcast his pure essence to a receiver in a higher dimension." At no point is there any mention of the duo providing enough energy to power the robot as you claim.Edit: Ok, you posted the same thing at the same time.
The panel explicitly says the energy released broadcasted their essence, absolutely nothing about powering half the robot. I mean seriously, you're borderline suggesting Superman has at least half the power of Mandrakk. Is it so ridiculous to believe that a thought robot capable of adapting to any threat, including a cosmic vampire that consumes stories might not need Superman to be both pilot and battery pack?
Superman and Ultraman were powering it and that could be only logical conclusion. Unless you try to rationalize it under the preconceived notion of just how powerful superman is. "Only superman can save us now" wasn't said just for fun, y'know.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Heh, what is this "pure essence of superman" by the way? Why is it that ridiculous? Superman and Captain Marvel lifted a book with ****ing multiverse inside it in the very same series. Also tell me how did Superman's physical form fell down from monitor's world with bleed inside him when Cosmic Armor self-destructed and we saw CA receiving a drop from monitors?Superman and Ultraman were powering it and that could be only logical conclusion. Unless you try to rationalize it under the preconceived notion of just how powerful superman is. "Only superman can save us now" wasn't said just for fun, y'know.
You keep bringing up things that have nothing to do with powering the robot as "proof". Yes, Superman and Cap lifted the infinite book. That was specifically mentioned on panel, your claim was not. Yes, Superman and Ultraman fell from through the bleed, I have no idea how you go from that to...anything. Yes, the point of the story was "only Superman can save us", but no, that doesn't mean Superman powered the robot, only that he "piloted" it.
Originally posted by CogitoReally?
You keep bringing up things that have nothing to do with powering the robot as "proof".
Yes, Superman and Cap lifted the infinite book. That was specifically mentioned on panel, your claim was not.Of course it was.
Yes, Superman and Ultraman fell from through the bleed, I have no idea how you go from that to...anything.How did Superman recieved Bleed from monitors if he wasn't inside the armor and powering it? How did he survive the matter/antimatter contact which would've atomised him?
Yes, the point of the story was "only Superman can save us", but no, that doesn't mean Superman powered the robot, only that he "piloted" it.Then what powered the robot? One simple denial of what superman did can create a lot of plot holes in that story.
^Abhi and Cogito, I think you are both right in a way, just talking past each other. Superman powered the CA in a way but not with his personal, sunbased energies stored in his cells, but with his "story" the greatest story ever told. The CA was a though Robot, adapting to any threat, invincible and as powerful as the story "fueling" it. That's at least the way I understood it. So that doesn't means that Superman has infinite energies, his "story" does however and he has those energies only if the "story" requires it. In the end Superman will always save the day.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
^Abhi and Cogito, I think you are both right in a way, just talking past each other. Superman powered the CA in a way but not with his personal, sunbased energies stored in his cells, but with his "story" the greatest story ever told. The CA was a though Robot, adapting to any threat, invincible and as powerful as the story "fueling" it. That's at least the way I understood it. So that doesn't means that Superman has infinite energies, his "story" does however and he has those energies only if the "story" requires it. In the end Superman will always save the day.
Can Mjolnir absorb the most common type of energy: kinetic energy? I don't recall Thor ever doing that (odd, now that I think about it), and if he can't, that's a Huge gap in Mjolnir's energy absorption ability / Thor's defenses. Even Cap's shield can absorb the kinetic energy of Hulk's blows. Could Mjolnir absorb DD's blows and then strike back with that energy?
Anyway, as I've recently been reminded via another character, CISless Thor is not forum Thor. And DD's adaptability (especially H/P's) is pert near an ultimate plot device. This was why Supes and company could only beat HPDD via bfr...which is not allowed here.
Can Mjolnir create entropy effects? This may be Thor's only hope.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Well that was never stated either, so it is not true. We need exact statement for everything in comics bro.
It is stated in more then one way.
"A Thoughrobot, capable of adapting instantly to counter any future threat"
"I have woken up in a body of pure though"
"this is where form and meaning surrender to the overvoid"
"I feel the chill as the story grows into place around me"
said by Madrakks lover to Mandrakk "You are using us to believe you into existence! But deep within the Germ-Worlds, I found a better story; one to be unstoppable, indestructible! The story of a child rocketed to earth from a doomed Planet.."
"There is nothing left; the inexorable logic of a living story drives us to it's conclusion. We fight"
Let's say it this way, if the CA would be just powered by Supermans energies stored in his Body, it wouldn't be needed at all. Superman would have beaten Mandrakk by himself, a logical conclusion. But he could only fight the concept Mandrakk with another concept, his story, which is an idea, a though.
Anyay, agree to disagree I guess.
Originally posted by abhilegend
How did Superman recieved Bleed from monitors if he wasn't inside the armor and powering it?
He was inside the armor, that was explicitly stated and nobody's denying it.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
^Abhi and Cogito, I think you are both right in a way, just talking past each other. Superman powered the CA in a way but not with his personal, sunbased energies stored in his cells, but with his "story" the greatest story ever told. The CA was a though Robot, adapting to any threat, invincible and as powerful as the story "fueling" it. That's at least the way I understood it. So that doesn't means that Superman has infinite energies, his "story" does however and he has those energies only if the "story" requires it. In the end Superman will always save the day.
Originally posted by abhilegendAre you phucking kidding me, bro?
Well that was never stated either, so it is not true. We need exact statement for everything in comics bro.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeI know what was written in the comic, no need to rephrase it.
It is stated in more then one way.
"A Thoughrobot, capable of adapting instantly to counter any future threat"
"I have woken up in a body of pure though"
"this is where form and meaning surrender to the overvoid"
"I feel the chill as the story grows into place around me"
said by Madrakks lover to Mandrakk "You are using us to believe you into existence! But deep within the Germ-Worlds, I found a better story; one to be unstoppable, indestructible! The story of a child rocketed to earth from a doomed Planet.."
"There is nothing left; the inexorable logic of a living story drives us to it's conclusion. We fight"
Let's say it this way, if the CA would be just powered by Supermans energies stored in his Body, it wouldn't be needed at all. Superman would have beaten Mandrakk by himself, a logical conclusion. But he could only fight the concept Mandrakk with another concept, his story, which is an idea, a though.His story was what made it unstoppable. He could beat Mandrakk because his story was better than Dox Novu's story. It wasn't the fuel of the thought robot though.
Anyay, agree to disagree I guess.That's fine with me.
Originally posted by CogitoThen he was powering it too.
He was inside the armor, that was explicitly stated and nobody's denying it.
👆 This exactly. It was about the story, not solar energy reserves.Stories don't power up anything. It was a hyper-story which was already written about Superman's story beating Mandrakk's story.
[b]Are you phucking kidding me, bro? [/B]Nope, just rephrasing your words.
Yes, Superman and Cap lifted the infinite book. That was specifically mentioned on panel, your claim was not.
Aka if its not directly mentioned, its not true. Anyway agree to disagree.
