Goku n Thor's Hammer

Started by sacred10811 pages

Because you said if Goku beat Thor he could lift it. However cap didn't beat Thor and he could lift it and hulk can beat Thor but can't lift it.

BRB.

Also Hulk can't beat Thor. Thor is not afraid of Hulk and has plenty of tools to handle him.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Goku can't enter Asgard by those means. If Goku could beat Thor in an honorable battle then maybe he could lift it.

Goku can enter anywhere he wants too with instant transmission if he feels the need too. Even the Realm Eternal with Gods.

In exactly what way is Goku different now that he has his god mode? The only thing that has been shown is now he is more powerful than he was before. What else has changed? Nothing. Show me where it is either shown or stated that he is different in another manner than simply power.

Why does goku having god mode negate all his past actions? That is quite silly. What leads you to believe this? It's just because he's a called a SSJG isn't it? So your entire theory on goku is based on the fact that he's called a god...plenty of characters are called gods dude...it means nothing. If it does, than prove it. You and I both know you can't though.

Also, Goku can't lift the hammer. Odin wouldn't find him worthy. SSJG or not, it makes no difference.

Originally posted by emporerpants
In exactly what way is Goku different now that he has his god mode? The only thing that has been shown is now he is more powerful than he was before. What else has changed? Nothing. Show me where it is either shown or stated that he is different in another manner than simply power.

Why does goku having god mode negate all his past actions? That is quite silly. What leads you to believe this? It's just because he's a called a SSJG isn't it? So your entire theory on goku is based on the fact that he's called a god...plenty of characters are called gods dude...it means nothing. If it does, than prove it. You and I both know you can't though.

Also, Goku can't lift the hammer. Odin wouldn't find him worthy. SSJG or not, it makes no difference.

Jesus is a God so duck you and why wouldn't Odin find Goku worthy.

Originally posted by Supra
But what does the cell fight have anything to do with yielding thors hammer?

If want then we can discuss it...goku gave it all again and sacrificed himself for the earth when cell was going to blow it up.

After death cell comes back and gohan finishes him once and for all.

Let's then talk about Odin telling Thor he was not worthy until he gave it all for guys realm just as Goku did and does...

So you're going with the ends justify the means route? Doesn't matter how many were in risk, doesn't matter how many were killed or in the manner of which they met their fates.. as long as things for the most part worked out okay?

Gambling the Earths fate on something he did no know would happen, that needed someone's permanent death to trigger is all fine because he ended up sacrificing himself, Kai, Bubbles and tghsir planet.. in a failed attempt?

Or almost being able to defeat Buu but deciding he wanted to let Goten and Trunks have a go, have his son go his mothers death and still end up failing, and this time actually destroying the Earth as a result.. all good as we got the planet back with Buu gone?

Ares in marvel is a god...and he got ripped in half by sentry...kami is a god...do I need to say anything about him? I could go on for pages listing characters that are gods that aren't impressive at all. The term itself is meaningless unless there are things to back up the implied power and/or difference from mortals. So what now?

For the same reason that he doesn't find other characters worthy.

Still haven't answered my question on why Odin wouldn't find Goku worthy.

Because he doesn't fit the perfect norse warrior archetype enough, and doesn't have the virtues that Odin deems are essential in the right amounts.

It isn't a question about whether or not you are a good person, there are plenty of good people who can't lift it. There are plenty of heroes that can't lift it.

The real question is, why do you think he can lift it?

Originally posted by emporerpants
Because he doesn't fit the perfect norse warrior archetype enough, and doesn't have the virtues that Odin deems are essential in the right amounts.

It isn't a question about whether or not you are a good person, there are plenty of good people who can't lift it. There are plenty of heroes that can't lift it.

The real question is, why do you think he can lift it?

True, as an example; Balder can't lift it and he's considered one of the bravest and most noble of the Asgardians.

Originally posted by emporerpants
Because he doesn't fit the perfect norse warrior archetype enough, and doesn't have the virtues that Odin deems are essential in the right amounts.

It isn't a question about whether or not you are a good person, there are plenty of good people who can't lift it. There are plenty of heroes that can't lift it.

The real question is, why do you think he can lift it?

neither did cap but he can still lift it.

Originally posted by sacred108
neither did cap but he can still lift it.

Captain America is best friend and someone who Thor sees as his equal in terms of being a man of honor.

In extreme circumstances, exceptions can made in order to beat a current big bad. Superman was able to lift it through this, but later was unable to.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Captain America is best friend and someone who Thor sees as his equal in terms of being a man of honor.
And your saying Goku has no honor.

Originally posted by sacred108
And your saying Goku has no honor.

Steve is welcomed in Asgard any time he wants, he can dine with the best in valhalla, he is someone who Thor respects. Thor doesn't have this relationship with Goku.

Pretty sure he would like Goku.

honor
valor
humility
nobility
warrior spirit
sacrifice
protecting the weak

...those seem to be the qualifying traits. The unknown part is how much of each makes you worthy. If you lack any adequate portion of one or more, you can still lift it if the need is great enough, e.g. Superman.

Goku has all of that.

i agree. but we don't know how much of each trait it takes to make one worthy.

An argument can be made that Goku is not humble enough.

with that said, i think he qualifies for the "Superman clause" that says he can lift it if he's desperate enough.

Steve's patriotism knows no limits, like the only other person I could see holding it that hasn't yet is Hulk...Hulk Hogan that is
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