Originally posted by Stealth MooseI'm abrasive and aware of it but remain abrasive because I'm online and can meltdown with getting into trouble.
Not sure if serious, or just extremely abrasive and unaware of it.
This my free-therapy. Your my punching bag.
Don't think about turning it back at me because I will just start going "************ slkgil;shogsj!!!!!!" Then I'll just come back and be as abrasive as I care to be again the next weekend.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose1. I am unafraid to get into 'madbro' mode; and did just now. Obviously.
1. I am very "lightened up". I'm not even remotely miffed or mad, and never mistake my e-tone or sarcasm as indicative of 'madbro' mode. The people from here who have heard me speak IRL (Vene and Torvus, for example) were surprised at how chill I really am. Text is deceiving.2. Neph and I disagree on TOR chars often enough. I haven't beaten all of the class story lines so I tend to avoid really debating in favor of any but the SI who I have completed. Meanwhile, your non-TOR bias (or just dislike) is worn on your sleeve for all to see. If you expect other people to "rein it in", take that advice yourself.
3. HoT wins, with Barriss coaching her.
2. I find your lack of PT/OT and Post-OT faith disturbing, check yo-self - fool.
3. Barris Offee is a PT character who got Force Repulse lol-stomped by Anakin no less, and HoT has no help in this thread. Not that Barris would make a difference here 😆 .
Anakin was one of the most proficient Force-wielding combatants in the mythos - he taught Galen Marek how to Force repulse and demonstrated mastery of Force repulse and Force wave in the PT era. He was the best master of TK of all the Skywalkers, had more of a knack for warfare tact than any of the Skywalkers - and as Cyborg Vader his revised defense was better than Obi-wan's.
Originally posted by NephthysYou don't get to talk until you actually address my previous post's arguments - then and only then will you be ready to make a moot point like this.
Barris smacked Anakin with TK at one too though.
Originally posted by Col. ValerianSo can a lot of PT and post-OT Jedi - as well Revan and Shan; despite Neph's attempts to blow this Jedi waaaaaaaAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAaaaaaay out of canonically demonstrable proportion.
In all seriousness though... I think Zonakin beats HoT, tbh.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
FORMER DOLOS: I have reaffirmed my own bias by simply reasserting my own bias! I will now celebrate my complete and unshakable victory by declaring it as victory!I also find it funny that you argue Zonakin as a viable fighter, when Zonakin is a "burst" of Anakin's full potential fueled by the Dark Side, and is not representative of his actual consistent ability. Again, if it was, he'd smear everyone into paste and conquer all.
I might as well claim Dopa-doped Barriss has Oneness with the Force and can do anything, or Zonazo Trace can move faster than anyone else in canon and therefore can beat Zonakin's face in five times before he can blink.
Your bias makes Terrorist Dooku angry:
Dooku is a genie?
Originally posted by NephthysWhat's the exact quote...you're probably blowing it out of proportion like the others.
Haha, is funny cuz Shan directly acknowledges inferiority to the HoT! Is good joke, no?!
Did she say, "I, the Grand Master of the Jedi Order, am inferior to you, oh king Hero of Tythoon. *bows in submission*"
Or did she say something liken to Obi-Wan's, "You're the most gifted Jedi I have ever met"; or Anakin's little; "[Obi-wan is] as wise as Yoda and as powerful as Master Windu"?
Or was it HoT's master's little; "He's the most powerful Jedi I've seen in decades."
You see, you have a lot of statements - where are the feats to match Anakin's effortless disarmament of Dooku, a duelist who casually beats Obi-wan on many occasions, the Sith who stood toe to toe and escaped from Yoda twice, the Sith who effortlessly suspended Quinlan Vos in a TK hold....?
Originally posted by NephthysWell good for them....😆
“You are our greatest warrior… and our best hope." – Satale Shan.Scourge also says the HoT is the best Jedi alive too.
You still don't get it, those are meaningless statements, they can be construed as hyperbole, references to potential yet unreached, attempts to give confidence, etc etc etc.
Zonakin still has better feats, and needs no hyperbole - which he has plenty of in the ROTS novel.
You're not attempting to give any feats at all. You've merely dodged the bullet by giving statement and unjustifiably implying power-levels like SW is DBZ and the one who beats the other is better AND more powerful - like defeating a weakened Sorc-type Vitiate with the aid of a droid means ANYTHING. Nothing in your respect thread demands the kind of wanking your give this unnamed, as of yet to be gendered, character. You're filling in the vagueness of info we have about the Hero of Tythoon with your own wild imagination.
Your boy ain't got nothin on little orphan Ani.
Originally posted by Oneness
Well good for them....😆You still don't get it, those are meaningless statements, they can be construed as hyperbole, references to potential yet unreached, attempts to give confidence, etc etc etc.
Zonakin still has better feats, and needs no hyperbole - which he has plenty of in the ROTS novel.
You're not attempting to give any feats at all. You've merely dodged the bullet by giving statement and unjustifiably implying power-levels like SW is DBZ and the one who beats the other is better AND more powerful - like defeating a weakened Sorc-type Vitiate with the aid of a droid means ANYTHING. Nothing in your respect thread demands the kind of wanking your give this unnamed, as of yet to be gendered, character.
I don't get how its meaningless when a character directly says she's not as good as another one. You'd think she'd be able to tell. It isn't hyperbole (I do not think that word means what you think it means), its says "You ARE our blah", not you will be so its not about potential and that wouldn't give the Hero confidence. This is said right after Vitiate owned the Hero and 3 other Jedi. If I'd heard that I was the best they had after that I'd feel pretty fvcked myself. Also if she really was greater than the Hero, SHE would be saving the galaxy and fighting Vitiate, not them.
Anyway, I haven't actually said the Hero can beat Zonakin, have I? You just wandered in and assumed, before mouthing off half-cocked.
I haven't actually started arguing yet. When I actually see you as worth it, maybe I'll bust out some feats and put some effort in. As is, I think I'll just nitpick your dumb post on the first page. Tomorrow.
First of all, statements ARE meaningless. For God's sake the ROTS narrator says that Anakin is the fastest, strongest, greatest warrior, most powerful Force wielder, bestest pilot, smartest, most handsomest and popular Jedi and everyone knows it.
What feats put HoT above MALGUS????
Malgus has demonstrated better TK than all but NJO Luke Skywalker, what with building-busting. That's a feat. He's demonstrated Force lightning on par with Nyriss as well - he cut down every Jedi he fought in lightsaber combat. Then a younger, less experienced Shan goes toe to toe with him, and with the help of a Republic Commander she BEATS him!
Oh, I apologize, before you start arguing with me you should state your dang thesis;
So do you think that if Anakin was as pissed and focused as he was when he effortless SLAUGHTERED Dooku, was to engage The Hero of Tythoon, the Hero of Tythoon would win???
If not, don't even bother. If so, you crazy.
Third, you're ****ing pissing with your stupid superiority complex, like you're the ****ing princess of the SW Vs Forum of KMC like "I might debate you if I think you're worth my time inferior member, uugggh."
Shut up.
Oneness, you seriously need to learn something of self control. Seriously, you're the only one ranting here and everywhere else.
Anyways, as I've said a few times in the past, I think this whole Zonakin thing has been blown way out of proportion. I think the RotS novel pretty neatly described it in the simplicity of Anakin fighting with his fury, dancing with the Dark Side so to speak. What made a greater effect than usual against Dooku's other fights with him was also explained as Anakin until this point blanketing his rage with "a wall of dread". Zonakin is really not as big of a deal as people seem to make it up to be in my personal opinion. The whole thing about Dooku being "already dead" and his mastery of the force being "a joke" is a far more hyperbolic phenomenon than Satele saying the Hero of Tython is the greatest warrior of the Jedi, regardless.
Still, I find it probable Anakin still would win this, albeit not easily.
Originally posted by NewGuy01Well said.
Oneness, you seriously need to learn something of self control. Seriously, you're the only one ranting here and everywhere else.Anyways, as I've said a few times in the past, I think this whole Zonakin thing has been blown way out of proportion. I think the RotS novel pretty neatly described it in the simplicity of Anakin fighting with his fury, dancing with the Dark Side so to speak. What made a greater effect than usual against Dooku's other fights with him was also explained as Anakin until this point blanketing his rage with "a wall of dread". Zonakin is really not as big of a deal as people seem to make it up to be in my personal opinion. The whole thing about Dooku being "already dead" and his mastery of the force being "a joke" is a far more hyperbolic phenomenon than Satele saying the Hero of Tython is the greatest warrior of the Jedi, regardless.
Still, I find it probable Anakin still would win this, albeit not easily.
Spoken very soberly. 13
I'll assert that Anakin's boost in clarity and focus came from his rage - "a Jedi's strength flows from the Force", the Force told Luke when to fire the shot that, against unfathomable odds made it into the vents and destroyed the Death Star, as Plagueis says "the Force provides".
Anakin's rage opened up crystal clarity and greater physical prowess, prescient-reactionary maneuvers, and technique, the Force was effectively enhancing his abilities. This much was not Hyperbole - Luke states in the Manual for Jedi that form V depends on compassion for others, from a light side user's prerogative, but from Anakin's prerogative it is rage that enhanced his abilities against Dooku.
Rage enhanced Marek as well. But if rage cannot be savored, and harnessed, if rage makes one lose his wits, it can backfire, as it did with Obi-wan AND Anakin against Dooku (AoTC), and as it did with Obi-wan against Maul in TCW. This is what the application of Dun Moch is for.
Finally, Anakin's Force rage backfired against Obi-wan on Mustafar. The difference between Anakin's Force rage on the Invisible Hand against Dooku and his Force rage on Mustafar against Obi-wan, was that he was irrational, and it showed in his repeated tactile errs. It was the obvious errors that Anakin made that gave Obi-wan his victory.
You see normally, Anakin is a better tactical fighter than Obi-wan - but not when he's "emotionally compromised" (#Spoooock)! This is also demonstrated when he tries to rush Dooku in AoTC.
Originally posted by OnenessIt said of "his generation" and "perhaps." It's about the same as "probably."
First of all, statements ARE meaningless. For God's sake the ROTS narrator says that Anakin is the fastest, strongest, greatest warrior, most powerful Force wielder, bestest pilot, smartest, most handsomest and popular Jedi and everyone knows it.