Originally posted by Oneness
They don't prove anything - moreover they don't indicate anything either. As no TK feat from Barsen matches Malgus - who was forced into a collapsing mountain side by the grand Jedi master whom you so glibly assert has less power in the Force than Barsen'Thor - not even close, cur.
I wouldn't say that. It wasn't really a mountain, a cliff rather. Malgus's best TK feat involve blowing away the rubble from two building collapsed on him.
I'd personally find the Barsen'thor's to be well, better. As Neph has already provided, the plowing through of the durasteel blast door seems more impressive than that. The thing seems to be at least a meter thick.
Tearing through a several meter thick durasteel door made to contain blasts > blasting away a mountain of already disembled rubble, no? I do admit though, it's a very impressive feat on Malgus's part, and I'm not trying to downplay it.
Originally posted by Oneness
They're don't even stack up to Marek's Star Destroyer feat. Vader was demonstrated as having the ability to take down Galen Marek in TFU II when he finally learns to utilize patience and defense, stalemating the more powerful Starkiller Clone.
But the novel describes that the only reason the battle was a stalemate is because Vader had sabotaged Starkiller's training, leaving him prone to his own fighting style.
However, it should also be noted that Vader had not reached his peak by this point, since there's lots of evidence suggesting he's grown both in skill and power considerably between ANH and ROTJ.
Originally posted by Oneness
"The" Barsen'Thor, "The" Scourge? Please use proper English, they aren't organizations, even if you wank them.
"The" Lord Scourge is pretty silly, but it is grammatically correct to say "the" Barsen'thor. Since "Barsen'thor" isn't the character's name, it's a title within the Jedi Order for extraordinary Force Wielders.
Originally posted by Oneness
No, neither Scourge no Barsen'Thor have TK feats that are proven to be above Satele's caliber. Oh? It's a larger blast door? So what!? The Grand Jedi Master shoved Malgus into a mountain side and made it explode and collapse upon him.
That was also done after absorbing the energies of a damn lightsaber. Halycon was able to do the same thing, actually--If you didn't know, she was a Jedi that couldn't even move a pebble with TK but was great at energy absorption. After absorbing the energies of a lightsaber, Halycon was able to convert that energy to send an extremely powerful wave of TK that has similar results to Satele's. I hope this clears things up.
Originally posted by Oneness
That's before either Malgus or Satele reach their full potential. They have more indication of being at the top of the TOR era food-chain than Barseb'Thor and Hero. Though Revan comes close to their power levels - and Vitiate has a lot of power from his rituals - but most of his abilities, like in the case of Ragnos, are merely esoteric and don't mean too much against characters like Sidious, Moosey baby.
Malgus, yes, he improves quite a bit, and I myself believe it's very possible he's better than the Barsen'thor--Though I'm not sure if I can say the same about the Hero of Tython. Accolades and his Sith kills are an indication to him being at the peak of the TOR "food chain" if you ask me.
And I agree Revan isn't as powerful as many make him out to be. He's relatively unimpressive to others in his era. Vitiate, in my opinion, is still powerful without the need of preparation--However, I agree strongly that he'd still be floored by someone of Palpatine's caliber.
Originally posted by Oneness
Kinda like the inaccurate comparison of weakened Vitiate loosing to a maybe-weakened Hero - glibly pulling them being equally weakened out of your ass to grasp at straws for a game you spend too much time on.
Well, not only had the Hero expended his energies on Dromund Kaas (According to Vitiate himself), but it's also in the codex or Scourge's word I believe that he allowed the Emperor to regather his energies in the canon LS option, and let's not forget that the Dark Temple is an extremely potent Dark Nexus. I do think it's fair to say the tables weren't exactly against Vitiate too much in that fight.
Originally posted by Oneness
So quit blowing them out of proportion so as to deceive the TORetards.I think all of you TOR people need to get your era together before challenging Anakin-Sidious-Yoda, or anyone else from the PT/OT era for that matter. Because we have that era's hierarchy figured out.
I agree, Anakin/Sidious/Yoda are more or less better than every Sith/Jedi from the TOR era, though guys like Obi-Wan are more than fair game. I would say, however, that the Hero of Tython or Vitiate could definitely pose a serious threat to them.