Why???

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
I think it's mostly that I started ignoring him outright. His trolling was hitting the stratosphere.

If you think I'm trolling, you should be able to back up your assertion.

The simple fact is, I haven't been trolling. I say what I mean and I ask the questions that interest me at the time they interest me. Rarely more, rarely less.

You ARE largely correct in that I reduced my responses once you stopped responding.

I figured you had given up and had nothing more to say.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
If you think I'm trolling, you should be able to back up your assertion.

The simple fact is, I haven't been trolling. I say what I mean and I ask the questions that interest me at the time they interest me. Rarely more, rarely less.

You ARE largely correct in that I reduced my responses once you stopped responding.

I figured you had given up and had nothing more to say.

😆 😂 😂

As for the unasked question,

"Why hasn't bluewaterrider participated more in eninn's thread if he's been visiting the religion forum?"

It's because eninn and I, despite agreeing on a great many things, have some very real ideological differences.

But eninn hasn't been given just treatment here.

So for the time being I'm simply going to acknowledge the things I CAN affirm and/or agree with,
to let eninn know I support his right to voice his opinion without ridicule,

I'm also going to let eninn know that he is actually presenting a case a lot of people agree with,
just NOT the extremely incendiary and vocal people on THIS particular forum in THIS particular thread.

For example, the following:

Originally posted by eninn

One can’t just compare Jesus with current day Christians.
One need to understand the dominant race in Christianity and their background, how they accepted this religion and how it impacted their daily lives.

The Christians of today's days are product of Roman Empire’s conveniently adoption of Jesus’ religion in 3rd century.

This is actually a good counter to a previous statement of mine that you took issue with in the
"Care to compare the Jesus you know with the one I know" thread.

Really, about the only thing I would change from what eninn wrote is to qualify with the term "mainstream" :

Originally posted by Shakyamunison

You go through hoops of illogic to say that Catholics are not Christians.
I have never said that other schools of Buddhism are not part of Buddhism.
I don’t have the authority to do that.

But even eninn, presumably a practicing Muslim, can recognize and tell the difference, and DOES so with his statement above.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
...But even eninn, presumably a practicing Muslim, can recognize and tell the difference, and DOES so with his statement above.

You are a troll, so I don't care. Maybe you should have asked me if I had anything to do with JIA's banning instead of accusing and trolling me.

I also have the spammer eninn ignored.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison

You are a troll, so I don't care.

1. I'm not a troll.
2. Your calling me one doesn't make it so.
3. If you didn't care, why did you take the time to respond?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison

Maybe you should have asked me if I had anything to do with JIA's banning instead of accusing and trolling me.

1. Stealth Moose correctly surmised that, if you leave people alone for a while and don't respond, they generally post less and less.
Examining JesusIsAlive (JIA)'s log of most recent posts, accessible despite his banning by any member who cares to examine it,
how many posts will a person find are a direct response from him to you in that last 48 hour period?
How many a response to your ridiculing him, or his religion?
What, based on JIA's 5 year plus history did you think his response would be to you?

2. Where did I accuse you of banning JIA?

3. Where have I trolled you?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison

I also have the spammer eninn ignored.

Eninn has always been polite to me.

The only thing I've seen you ever do in your interactions with him, however, are to ridicule, insult, and bash him.

Small wonder he doesn't respond to you.

I comment and he thanks me or acknowledges my post and gives supplemental information related to what I said.

Maybe if you treated him with actual respect, he might dignify YOU with a response as well.

As it stands currently, though?
What reason would a man have to respond to one who talks about him like you did in the following quotes AND just told us all aren't paying attention to any of the content he's providing anyway?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Ya, English is not his/hers/its first language.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Stealth Moose, you are better off with eninn not talking to you. He is far, far, far, more delusional then any of the Christians.

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Originally posted by bluewaterrider
If you think I'm trolling, you should be able to back up your assertion.

The simple fact is, I haven't been trolling. I say what I mean and I ask the questions that interest me at the time they interest me. Rarely more, rarely less.

You ARE largely correct in that I reduced my responses once you stopped responding.

I figured you had given up and had nothing more to say.

You have been trolling since the beginning. I pointed out repeatedly your inability to remain on topic, your constant misdirection and redirections, your pathetic attempts to take the argument to the person instead of defending your own assertions, and your rampant hedging.

The fact that you stopped posting in reply to anybody as soon as I stopped talking to you or about you says a lot.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose

You have been trolling since the beginning.

If that's so, you should have no trouble providing specific examples of me doing so here.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose

I pointed out repeatedly your inability to remain on topic, your constant misdirection and redirections,
your pathetic attempts to take the argument to the person instead of defending your own assertions, and your rampant hedging.

Inability to remain on topics that I already answered for you and provided 3rd party sources to support?
What, again, did you think my inclusion of Stephen Covey's "7 Habits" book WAS?

I don't think there's anything in that "Care to compare" thread I failed to answer.

There's quite a bit YOU failed to answer on the last few pages, though.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose

The fact that you stopped posting in reply to anybody as soon as I stopped talking to you or about you says a lot.

That's not what happened, though, is it?

In point of fact, I went on to answer the questions of both red g. jacks and bentley after your departure:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=589430&pagenumber=11

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Originally posted by bluewaterrider
If that's so, you should have no trouble providing specific examples of me doing so here.

So I have to dig through the old posts and re-showcase your trolling in detail just so you can say "LOLNOPE"?

I don't think so. That's much wasted time and effort. We're both aware of your past posting history. Don't play games.

Inability to remain on topics that I already answered for you and provided 3rd party sources to support?
What, again, did you think my inclusion of Stephen Covey's "7 Habits" book WAS?

It was one of many times you attempted to answer a question about your own position with someone else's words, and then failed to follow up on why those words were truly relevant.

The naturalistic fallacy was really the crux of the whole thing.

I don't think there's anything in that "Care to compare" thread I failed to answer.

There's quite a bit YOU failed to answer on the last few pages, though.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
If that's so, you should have no trouble providing specific examples of me doing so here.

Funny how the burden of proof works with you.

That's not what happened, though, is it?

In point of fact, I went on to answer the questions of both red g. jacks and bentley after your departure:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=589430&pagenumber=11

That's being dishonest. Your interactions with them were shortly after I stopped feeding you, and your activity in the sub-forum fell off entirely until I uttered your name.

But please, keep denying it. Sooner or later, enough people might forget and accept it as fact.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
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This says it all!

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
So I have to dig through the old posts and re-showcase your trolling in detail just so you can say "LOLNOPE"?
I don't think so. That's much wasted time and effort. We're both aware of your past posting history. Don't play games.

1. We're both well aware "LOLNOPE" and other responses of that type are far more your stock in trade than mine.
You include these laughing pictures and gifs regardless of whether you've made a valid point or not.
It's a very familiar part of your modus operandi.

2. I AM well aware of my past posting history, Moose.
That's precisely why I'm challenging you to show me, in context, where I've "trolled" you, or whatever it is you think I've done.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose

[7 Habits] was one of many times you attempted to answer a question about your own position with someone else's words,
and then failed to follow up on why those words were truly relevant.

The expectation is that, after getting clarification from me, which you got twice IIRC, you'd actually look up the book, or a few online passages, or even one of the briefest of summaries online, and understand the context of what I said IN its proper context.

But truly trying to understand another person's point of view, especially if their views are different from yours, isn't something you're in the habit of doing, is it?

Originally posted by bluewaterrider

I went on to answer the questions of both red g. jacks and bentley after your departure:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=589430&pagenumber=11

Originally posted by Stealth Moose

That's being dishonest.
Your interactions with [red g jack and bentley] were shortly after I stopped feeding you,
and your activity in the sub-forum fell off entirely until I uttered your name.

The very fact that I took the time to answer those two,
TOOK THE HOUR PLUS OF TIME REQUIRED TO VIEW THE VIDEOS RED SUGGESTED,
and discuss matters further with them,
proves I did NOT "stop posting in reply to anybody as soon as Stealth Moose stopped talking to me", as you falsely claimed.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
1. We're both well aware "LOLNOPE" and other responses of that type are far more your stock in trade than mine.

If you want to be literal in the usage of the term, sure.

But in terms of you pretty much dismissing anything I've claimed, you take the cake there.

You include these laughing pictures and gifs regardless of whether you've made a valid point or not.
It's a very familiar part of your modus operandi.

2. I AM well aware of my past posting history, Moose.

But shockingly in denial about it.

That's precisely [b]why I'm challenging you to show me, in context, where I've "trolled" you, or whatever it is you think I've done.[/b]

I already have, and you denied it anyways. So why am I going to expend serious effort to 'drum up' each instance where you trolled, when at the time it happened I called you out on it every single time and you denied it every single time.

The expectation is that, after getting clarification from me, which you got twice IIRC, you'd actually look up the book, or a few online passages, or even one of the briefest of summaries online, and understand the context of what I said IN its proper context.

Why should I have to read the entire book to understand why you quoted it? Aren't you capable of relating something you've taken from someone else into more easily digestable terms to others?

No, that would imply you understood it. I asked you multiple times to relate the definitions you were espousing - regardless of their original source - into a definition which would in turn support your assertions that homosexuality is somehow against natural law.

You dropped the ball on this multiple times, and then persisted to tell me I was having a language barrier or that I wasn't paying attention to your answers, or I haven't read the book which you block-quoted out of thin air.

Then you say "IMNOTROLLINGSWEARZ". It's precious.

But truly trying to understand another person's point of view, especially if their views are different from yours, isn't something you're in the habit of doing, is it?

Oh I see. You asserted it; therefore it must be true.

I don't have a problem with understanding a large majority of posters here at KMC. You just seem to be the exception, perhaps because the realm in which you inhabit doesn't have things like "accountability", "consistency", and "logic".

The very fact that I took the time to answer those two,
TOOK THE HOUR PLUS OF TIME REQUIRED TO VIEW THE VIDEOS RED SUGGESTED,
and discuss matters further with them,
proves I did NOT "stop posting in reply to anybody as soon as Stealth Moose stopped talking to me", as you falsely claimed.

Really? So then why did you stop posting after that? What was the timeframe? 1-2 days? Wow, you have completely disproved my assertion by virtue of it being too imprecise. Well done.

Originally posted by eninn
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the great Islam gave the woman her honorable value, all the Laws of in the world will not reach this high level

prophet Mohammad said:

1 - Women are the twin halves of men.
2 - The world and all things in it are valuable; but the most valuable thing in the world is a virtuous woman.
3 - The best women are the virtuous; they are the most affectionate to infants, and the most careful of their husband's property.
4 - When a woman performeth the five times of prayer, and fasteth the month of Ramadan, and is chaste, and is not disobedient to her husband, then tell her to enter Paradise by whichever door she liketh.
5 - Verily a great number of women are assembled near my family, complaining of their hubands; and those men who ill-treat their wives do not behave well. He is not of my way who teacheth a woman to stray.
6 - Asma, daughter of Yazid, said, "Victuals were brought to Muhammad, and he put them before some of us women who were present, and said, 'Eat ye.' But notwithstanding we were hungry we said, 'We have no inclination.' Muhammad said, 'O woman! Do not mix hunger with lies.' "
7 - Whoever doeth good to girls, it will be a curtain to him from hell-fire.
8 - Whoever befriendeth two girls till they come of age, will be in the next world along with me, like my two fingers joining each other.
9 - Whoever befriendeth three daughters, or three sisters, and teacheth them manners, and is affectionate to them, till they come of age, may God apportion Paradise for him.
10 - Whoever hath a daughter, and doth not bury her alive or scold her, or prefer his male children to her, may God bring him into Paradise.
11 - Shall I not point out to you the best of virtues? It is your doing good to your daughter when she is returned to you having been divorced by her husband.
12 - God enjoins you to treat women well, for they are your mothers, daughters, aunts.
13 - Do not prevent your women from coming to the mosque.
14 - The believers who show the most perfect faith are those who have the best disposition and the best of you are those who are best to their wives

www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTMqDpXLvII

www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ3DQFSaiJg

so

my dear brother
- Islam is a religion of the utmost ease and compassion
Do not do more of your energy
In anything

The original
Holy Qur'an and the Hadith
See inside them well
Your life will completely upright
Honesty - maintaining secretariats - high morals - help others - away from adultery - murder - drinking alcohol - gambling - treason - honoring one's parents - kinship - the right of the neighbor - and so on .....
This is Islam

Muslim life always
Tied about the Qur'an Quran and Hadith
This constitution for life

Separation between religion and life, something is wrong
This is already happening in other religions

So
Society is going in the way of deviation
Adultery - murder - robbery - drinking alcohol - international attacks - family disintegration ......

In your point of view

Why is this happening?

This is the result away from the teachings of God and the prophets and messengers

Narrated 'Ubada Ibn-As−Samit: who took part in the battle of Badr and was a Naqib (a person heading a group of six persons), on the night of Al−`Aqaba pledge: Allah's Apostle said while a group of his companions were around him, " Swear allegiance to me for: 1- Not to join anything in worship along with Allah. 2- Not to steal. 3- Not to commit illegal sexual intercourse. 4- Not to kill your children. 5- Not to accuse an innocent person (to spread such an accusation among people). 6- Not to be disobedient (when ordered) to do good deed ." The Prophet added: " Whoever among you fulfills his pledge will be rewarded by Allah. And whoever indulges in any one of them (except the ascription of partners to Allah) and gets the punishment in this world, that punishment will be an expiation for that sin. And if one indulges in any of them, and Allah conceals his sin, it is up to Him to forgive or punish him (in the Hereafter) ." 'Ubada bin As−Samit added: "So we swore allegiance for these." (points to Allah's Apostle

Sahih al-Bukhary, The Book of Faith, Hadith Number:18, Narrated by: Obada Ibnus-Samit

www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBBjnEvmy38

==

Sorry to piss on your parade, but instead of watching YouTube, why don't we ask Moh the Rasul about what he said about women?

"The Prophet said: 'I was shown the Hell Fire and the majority of its dwellers were women who are disbelievers or ungrateful.' When asked what they were ungrateful for, the Prophet answered, 'All the favors done for them by their husbands.'"

Sahih Bukhari: Volume 1 Book: 22 Narration: 28

***

Allah likes slavery. You like slavery too, ennin? You must do, if you call yourself a believer:

Qur'an 4:3: "If you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with orphans, marry women of your choice who seem good to you, two or three or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to do justice (to so many), then only one, or (a slave) that you possess, that will be more suitable. And give the women their dower as a free gift; but if they, of their own good pleasure, remit any part of it to you, eat it with enjoyment, take it with right good cheer and absorb it (in your wealth)."

Qur'an 4:11: "Allah directs you in regard of your Children's (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females.... These are settled portions ordained by Allah."

Qur'an 2:282: "And get two witnesses out of your own men. And if there are not two men (available), then a man and two women [a man is worth two women, and one man is always needed], such as you agree for witnesses, so that if one of them (two women) errs, the other can remind her."

Qur'an 4:15: "If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death [by starvation] claims them."

Here we have Moh the Rasul pimpin'

Qur'an 24:34: "Force not your slave-girls to whoredom (prostitution) if they desire chastity, that you may seek enjoyment of this life. [And here's the freedom-to-pimp card:] But if anyone forces them, then after such compulsion, Allah is oft-forgiving."

When I can be bothered, I'll de-construct your Islamic bullkaka further.

"I was shown the Hell Fire and the majority of its dwellers were women" end snip

Seems like I'd prefer going to Islamic hell.

That begs the question, is Islamic heaven full of dudes frolicking about with each other?

Originally posted by Robtard
"I was shown the Hell Fire and the majority of its dwellers were women" end snip

Seems like I'd prefer going to Islamic hell.

That begs the question, is Islamic heaven full of dudes frolicking about with each other?

Allah's palace is a sausagefest.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose

Really? So then why did you stop posting after that?
What was the timeframe? 1-2 days? Wow, you have completely disproved my assertion by virtue of it being too imprecise. Well done.

Sarcasm is wasted on me.
You've failed to provide so much as a single instance of what you claim.

Better questions would be:

"Why did Bluewaterrider start posting in the religion forum to begin with?
What was his reason for doing so?
What did he hope to learn?
What DID he learn?
Might what he learned have affected where Blue chose or chooses to spend his time when at KMC?"

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Sarcasm is wasted on me.
You've failed to provide so much as a single instance of what you claim.

Better questions would be:

"Why did Bluewaterrider start posting in the religion forum to [b]begin with?
What was his reason for doing so?
What did he hope to learn?
What DID he learn?
Might what he learned have affected where Blue chose or chooses to spend his time when at KMC?" [/B]

- Look at the number of posts you have made in direct response to me or to refute my claims.
- Compare them with anything else you've said with other people in this same sub-forum.
- Apply common senseYou can't do this step, sorry.
- Come to conclusion.

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That's fairly self absorbed, man.

Originally posted by Robtard
^
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That's fairly self absorbed, man.

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of the world revolving around me bro.