Why???

Started by Shakyamunison19 pages

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Sorry to piss on your parade, but instead of watching YouTube, why don't we ask Moh the Rasul about what he said about women?

"The Prophet said: 'I was shown the Hell Fire and the majority of its dwellers were women who are disbelievers or ungrateful.' When asked what they were ungrateful for, the Prophet answered, 'All the favors done for them by their husbands.'"

Sahih Bukhari: Volume 1 Book: 22 Narration: 28

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Allah likes slavery. You like slavery too, ennin? You must do, if you call yourself a believer:

Qur'an 4:3: "If you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with orphans, marry women of your choice who seem good to you, two or three or four; [b]but if you fear that you shall not be able to do justice (to so many), then only one, or (a slave) that you possess, that will be more suitable. And give the women their dower as a free gift; but if they, of their own good pleasure, remit any part of it to you, eat it with enjoyment, take it with right good cheer and absorb it (in your wealth)."

Qur'an 4:11: "Allah directs you in regard of your Children's (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females.... These are settled portions ordained by Allah."

Qur'an 2:282: "And get two witnesses out of your own men. And if there are not two men (available), then a man and two women [a man is worth two women, and one man is always needed], such as you agree for witnesses, so that if one of them (two women) errs, the other can remind her."

Qur'an 4:15: "If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death [by starvation] claims them."

Here we have Moh the Rasul pimpin'

Qur'an 24:34: "Force not your slave-girls to whoredom (prostitution) if they desire chastity, that you may seek enjoyment of this life. [And here's the freedom-to-pimp card:] But if anyone forces them, then after such compulsion, Allah is oft-forgiving."

When I can be bothered, I'll de-construct your Islamic bullkaka further. [/B]

clapping

Keep clapping and I'll tear down your Four Pillars, pal.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of the world revolving around me bro.
Actually, if you turn that around, that's a nice zinger. If RL ever permits, I'm giving it a shot.

"I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of the world revolving around you."

Delightful.

Originally posted by Mindship
Actually, if you turn that around, that's a nice zinger. If RL ever permits, I'm giving it a shot.

"I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of the world revolving around you."

Delightful.

Very nice.

I'm sorry I can't hear you over THE EARTH MOVING THROUGH SPACE AT INSANE SPEEDS AHHHHHHH

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of my captives screaming.

I'm sorry, I can't hear you because I'm on a computer, and my speakers are turned down.

I can't hear you because I'm a rock.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I can't hear you because I'm a rock.

I thought you couldn't hear me because you don't listen. I stand corrected. Rock on...

Sorry, what was that?

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Sorry, what was that?

Nothing. 😄

bluewaterrider

to let eninn know I support his right to voice his opinion without ridicule,

Eninn has always been polite to me.

But even eninn, presumably a practicing Muslim, can recognize and tell the difference, and DOES so with his statement above.

thank you dear brother

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The narration you referred to in the question is authentic and it is reported by Al-Bukhaari, Muslim and others may Allaah have mercy upon them. The meaning of the narration is that the Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) urged women to give charity and informed them that he sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) saw that the majority of the dwellers of Hellfire were women. He sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) clarified two reasons why women enter Hellfire. The first reason is that they curse too much, and the second one is that they are ungrateful to their husbands. If a husband has always been kind to his wife and she sees once what she considers as a mistake from him, she would say that she has never seen any good from him. The Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) informed us about this because, generally speaking, this is a true. As soon as a wife has a dispute with her husband, she would forget all the good that he has done to her and she would say that she has never seen any good from him.

As regards why menses are considered as a deficiency in her religion; when a woman has her menses, she does not pray and she does not fast, as mentioned in the Prophetic narration; undoubtedly, this is a deficiency in religion. This is something that Allaah decreed on her, but He does not punish her for it [due to not being able to pray or fast], and the narration does not state that she enters Hellfire due to this.

The expression “...and I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion...” is a continuation of the narration and it is not stating the reason why they enter Hellfire.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_E1KYpZDA6s
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Certificate one man= 2 woman
Scientifically women prone to forget, and practically find themselves forget certain things and remain hesitant can not say for sure, but one that mentions .. In addition to the woman's brain differs from the man's brain .. , Women are more susceptible to blood loss causing anemia often temporary, which has a direct impact on her memory .. And God between us in the mandates reason, saying: remember each other ... then the other can remind her. And let not the witnesses refuse when they are called upon.) [Baqarah: 282]

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The right to inheritance

Women were in ignorance, a follower of a man at all, stolen right and will, even Omar ibn Al-Khattab: (Allah in ignorance that we do not promise women is, until God sent down the deeds are revealed, and a section for them what section), and it came in some tribes to the point of rendering Kalmtaa, inherit, inherited, and passed on to heirs as turns, and they deprive them of many rights, and that they were not eligible for those rights.

It robbed them of the ignorance of women inheritance, they were not worth what they consider to inherit anything from their relatives, they do not carry the sword, and do not protect the egg, and still without a trophy, so it was restricted to inheritance and with the scourge of war, of boys alone, take the largest Valokpr, and because the money given to them to go to debtors who are married to them, and may be enemies, and they are keen to keep their money in their families, were deprived her of the inheritance, and the right of any other financial Kalmhr and wills, and others.

To this:

Islam came and women are treated with fair treatment, obliterated by a further injustice and oppression, and decided to have a share of the inheritance, really compelling, exclusive to it, no one from it is not preferred, the Quran was revealed decide the principle of the right to inheritance: (men's share of what parents and kinsmen leave for women share of what parents and kinsmen leave than small or large, a determinate share), so it was a heart full of the situation, and a radical change to Unconventional eras and centuries, and the breaks started to environment and tradition of chivalry and protection Dhammar, it has become for women a share in the inheritance, after they share is of the inheritance, and now owns and act in the king after they are held.

Rolled verses detailing the share of each heir, indicating amount, this has had a radical change to the heritage and traditions of its impact on the Muslim community, even if some of the feast are like eggs astonished at this recognition of, and generosity of women, it happens from the population of each site amazement and wonder, and they said: (the woman is given quarter or the price, and given half the daughter, and given the small boy, and not one of these folk are fighting, does not possess the spoils?), and made attempts to change or perhaps it will be back, but because God will not spent it, and it will not change the rule.

Ibn Abbas says: (Iusikm God in your children, male, a portion of two females), so that when I got the obligatory prayers which Allaah has enjoined where born male, female, and the parents, or people hated each other and said: the woman is given a quarter or the price, given the daughter half , and given the small boy, and not those of the Sun is fighting folk, does not possess the booty?! Be quiet about this hadeeth, the Messenger of Allah may peace be upon him forget it, or tell him Wegger They said: O Messenger of God given the current half of what her father left, and not riding the horse, and fighting folk, and gives the boy inheritance, and not change anything, and they do so in ignorance, do not give the inheritance only to those who fought folk, and give him the biggest Valokpr ..

In this he spent Islam grievance grievances of ignorance of women, she lived her captive for centuries long, have suffered greatly because of their subordination to men and relegates them and governed by them.

Islam has built a distribution of the monuments of the heirs on the basis of: (a male, a portion of two females), which is just and equitable in that all fairness, this is consistent with Islamic justice in the distribution of burdens and duties, it is necessary for men in the burdens and financial obligations, do not commit the ideals of women : (man is married and pay the dowry, and Furnishes house is housing, and women marry and pay her dowry, and her Furnishes house is housing, and Afeeol man marries a woman (his wife) and boys.

Afeeolha and girls marry men, and support him does not cost a thing from it: if the rich poor.

Girl in the expense is small for her father or brother or male relative, and in old age with her husband and son in the event of old age, counting himself and his family, and no one to support him from his family and relatives.

The expense of the children after marriage to their father, other than the expense of the children of the son it it.

Man to pay for the hospitality and mind, and Jihad and Amoarm, women do not take anything from it.

Islam has set in mind that burden and the costs and obligations entrusted to the man when he gave him double the share of female inheritance, even check in the amount of consideration to lose a man of money, to undertake the burden and costs, we know that Islam was tolerant, generous with women when put forward by all those burden and delivered on the shoulders of the man, then gave half of what it takes.

And women to this legislation decent profit from two aspects:

I: decided to have a right to inheritance, and did not have anything like that in ignorance.

Second: have that right as much as half the share of above, with the introduction of all the burdens and financial obligations

Them.

It is here shows the amount of honoring them in Islam, and appreciation of them and virtues of them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMNTUov5U3k

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1 – The Qur’aan enjoins good treatment of one's wife: she is to be honoured and treated kindly, even when one no longer feels love in one's heart towards her. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“and live with them honourably. If you dislike them, it may be that you dislike a thing and Allaah brings through it a great deal of good”

[al-Nisa’ 4:19]

2 – The Qur’aan explains that women have rights over their husbands, just as their husbands have rights over them. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And they (women) have rights (over their husbands as regards living expenses) similar (to those of their husbands) over them (as regards obedience and respect) to what is reasonable, but men have a degree (of responsibility) over them. And Allaah is All-Mighty, All-Wise”

[al-Baqarah 2:228]

This verse indicates that the man has additional rights, commensurate with his role as protector and maintainer and his responsibility of spending (on his wife) etc.

3 – The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) enjoined kind treatment and honouring of one’s wife, and he described the best of people as those who are best to their wives. He said: “The best of you are those who are the best to their wives, and I am the best of you to my wives.” Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 3895; Ibn Maajah, 1977; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.

4 – The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) spoke beautiful word concerning kind treatment of one’s wife, stating that when the husband feeds his wife and puts a morsel of food in her mouth, he earns the reward of doing an act of charity. He said, “You never spend anything but you will be rewarded for it, even the morsel of food that you lift to your wife’s mouth.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6352; Muslim, 1628.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liarCOULXNA

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67:6

And for those who disbelieved in their Lord is the punishment of Hell, and wretched is the destination.
67:7

When they are thrown into it, they hear from it a [dreadful] inhaling while it boils up.
67:8

It almost bursts with rage. Every time a company is thrown into it, its keepers ask them, "Did there not come to you a warner?"
67:9

They will say," Yes, a warner had come to us, but we denied and said, ' Allah has not sent down anything. You are not but in great error.' "
67:10

And they will say, "If only we had been listening or reasoning, we would not be among the companions of the Blaze."
67:11

And they will admit their sin, so [it is] alienation for the companions of the Blaze.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKdz05PWHZ0

Nah, pretty sure LB had it right.

I've never understood talking about the grace and understanding and empathy of God... who sends disbelievers to a place of eternal torment. No matter which religion, it just seems so bizarre.

"God loves you unconditionally... except when you don't believe. Then he punishes you unconditionally."

Originally posted by Stealth Moose

I've never understood talking about the grace and understanding and empathy of God ... who sends disbelievers to a place of eternal torment.

That IS probably the most challenging premise of Christianity or Islam, isn't it?

I've got to admit, one reason I've been attracted to the teachings of Seventh Day Adventists
(I am not a Seventh Day Adventist but I have found their teachings intriguing),
is because they teach of a literal hell, but one with an ending, not one that goes on for eternity.

They point to passages in the Bible where the English word or words "forever" and/or "for ever" actually meant a very limited space in time,
sometimes a few years, sometimes a few season, sometimes as short as a few days.

Such an interpretation fits in well with other passages that allude to some receiving few stripes, and some receiving many stripes, IIRC.

Is it right?

I don't know.

Are Adventists right?
I don't know.

I'm still searching.

Out of all the religions I've found, though, theirs seems to have the best real-world "wake", at least the groups I've been exposed to thus far.

Meaning that, following the adoption of Adventist principles, you can actually see the health of a community increase, charities become supported, people get educated, depression rates go down, families prosper.

For all that?
I've heard Adventism called the greatest counterfeit to true Christianity that the world has ever known.

If that is the unfortunate case, if Adventism is ultimately only a shadow of the real thing, well,
I'm thinking true Christianity is something one might really, truly enjoy being a part of ...

There is no such thing as "true Christianity".

That would be like saying the true Greek Mythology.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
There is no such thing as "true Christianity".

Shaky?

Serious question:

How would you KNOW there is no such thing as true Christianity if you weren't lucky enough to find it before converting to your particular brand of Buddhism?

The "gosh" you prescribed in your Buddhism thread tells you, repeatedly,
correct me if I'm wrong in my paraphrasing:

"Look for no truth outside of your self. Recite the Lotus Sutra to block out all doubt that this is the correct philosophy to govern every aspect of your life".

I have been bothered by this since the moment I saw it.
What better prescription could there be to STOP the intellectual and spiritual growth of a person than this?
A command to avoid searching for answers, to avoid listening to anything other than the sound of your own voice?

Do I have this wrong somehow?

You've gone on with several other posters about how you can't hear other people.

But how can this be other than literal truth for you when your religion actually TELLS you,
"Chant and drown out any argument that suggests you are wrong in any aspect of your thinking"?

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Shaky?

Serious question:

How would you KNOW there is no such thing as true Christianity if you weren't lucky enough to find it before converting to your particular brand of Buddhism?

I was born into the "true Christian church".

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
The "gosh" you prescribed in your Buddhism thread tells you, repeatedly,
correct me if I'm wrong in my paraphrasing:

"Look for no truth outside of your self. Recite the Lotus Sutra to block out all doubt that this is the correct philosophy to govern every aspect of your life".

What are you quoting? That is about as WRONG as you can get.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I have been bothered by this since the moment I saw it.
What better prescription could there be to STOP the intellectual and spiritual growth of a person than this?
A command to avoid searching for answers, to avoid listening to anything other than the sound of your own voice?

There is no such teaching the Buddhism that I practice. I think you are reading something written my a Christian, not by a Buddhist.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Do I have this wrong somehow?

You don't have it wrong somehow; you have it wrong intentionally.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
You've gone on with several other posters about how you can't hear other people.

Really?! I don't have my speaker turned on. Do you have your microphone turned on?

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
But how can this be other than literal [b]truth for you when your religion actually TELLS you,
"Chant and drown out any argument that suggests you are wrong in any aspect of your thinking"? [/B]

Because that has NOTHING to do with my religion.

You are baring faults witness against me. I think that is a sin in your religion.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison

Here is a gosh from "The Writings of Nichiren Daishonin"

This is the fundamental doctrine of my religion

On Attaining Buddhahood
- Issho Jobutsu Sho -

If you wish to free yourself from the sufferings of birth and death you have endured through eternity and attain supreme enlightenment in this lifetime, you must awaken to the mystic truth which has always been within your life. This truth is Myoho-renge-kyo. Chanting Myoho-renge-kyo will therefore enable you to grasp the mystic truth within you. Myoho-renge-kyo is the king of sutras, flawless in both letter and principle. Its words are the reality of life, and the reality of life is the Mystic Law (Myoho). It is called the Mystic Law because it explains the mutually inclusive relationship of life and all phenomena. That is why this sutra is the wisdom of all Buddhas.

Life at each moment encompasses both body and spirit and both self and environment of all sentient beings in every condition of life, as well as insentient beings -- plants, sky and earth, on down to the most minute particles of dust. Life at each moment permeates the universe and is revealed in all phenomena. One awakened to this truth himself embodies this relationship. However, even though you chant and believe in Myoho-renge-kyo, if you think the Law is outside yourself, you are embracing not the Mystic Law but some inferior teaching. "Inferior teachings" means those other than this sutra, which are all provisional and transient. No provisional teaching leads directly to enlightenment, and without the direct path to enlightenment you cannot attain Buddhahood, even if you practice lifetime after lifetime for countless aeons. Attaining Buddhahood in this lifetime is then impossible. Therefore, when you chant the Mystic Law and recite the Lotus Sutra, you must summon up deep conviction that Myoho-renge-kyo is your life itself.

You must never seek any of Shakyamuni's teachings or the Buddhas and bodhisattvas of the universe outside yourself. Your mastery of the Buddhist teachings will not relieve you of mortal sufferings in the least unless you perceive the nature of your own life. If you seek enlightenment outside yourself, any discipline or good deed will be meaningless. For example, a poor man cannot earn a penny just by counting his neighbor's wealth, even if he does so night and day. That is why Miao-lo states, "Unless one perceives the nature of his life, he cannot eradicate his evil karma." He means here that unless one perceives the nature of his life, his practice will become an endless, painful austerity. Miao-lo therefore condemns such students of Buddhism as non-Buddhist. He refers to the passage in the Maka Shikan, "Although they study Buddhism, their views revert to those of non-Buddhists."

Whether you chant the Buddha's name, recite the sutra or merely offer flowers and incense, all your virtuous acts will implant benefits in your life. With this conviction you should put your faith into practice. For example, the Jomyo Sutra says the Buddha's enlightenment is to be found in human life, thus showing that common mortals can attain Buddhahood and that the sufferings of birth and death can be transformed into nirvana. It further states that if the minds of the people are impure, their land is also impure, but if their minds are pure, so is their land. There are not two lands, pure or impure in themselves. The difference lies solely in the good or evil of our minds.

It is the same with a Buddha and a common mortal. While deluded, one is called a common mortal, but once enlightened, he is called a Buddha. Even a tarnished mirror will shine like a jewel if it is polished. A mind which presently is clouded by illusions originating from the innate darkness of life is like a tarnished mirror, but once it is polished it will become clear, reflecting the enlightenment of immutable truth. Arouse deep faith and polish your mirror night and day. How should you polish it? Only by chanting Nam-myoho-renge-kyo.

What then does myo signify? It is simply the mysterious nature of our lives from moment to moment, which the mind cannot comprehend nor words express. When you look into your own mind at any moment, you perceive neither color nor form to verify that it exists. Yet you still cannot say it does not exist, for many differing thoughts continually occur to you. Life is indeed an elusive reality that transcends both the words and concepts of existence and nonexistence. It is neither existence nor nonexistence, yet exhibits the qualities of both. It is the mystic entity of the Middle Way that is the reality of all things. Myo is the name given to the mystic nature of life, and ho to its manifestations.

Renge, the lotus flower, symbolizes the wonder of this Law. Once you realize that your own life is the Mystic Law, you will realize that so are the lives of all others. That realization is the mystic kyo, or sutra. It is the king of sutras, the direct path to enlightenment, for it explains that the entity of our minds, from which spring both good and evil, is in fact the entity of the Mystic Law. If you have deep faith in this truth and chant Myoho-renge-kyo, you are certain to attain Buddhahood in this lifetime. That is why the sutra states, "After my death, you must embrace this sutra. Those who do so shall travel the straight road to Buddhahood."4 Never doubt in the slightest, but keep your faith and attain enlightenment in this lifetime. Nam-myoho-renge-kyo, Nam-myoho-renge-kyo.

Respectfully,
Nichiren

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