DCNU Superman vs DCNU Martian Manhunter

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
MM might very well be as strong as Superman. He just might.

But that's meaningless when he can neither fight or take a punch. Superman doesn't win fights just because he's stronger than everyone else. He wins fights because he doesn't fold like a little girl everytime he gets hit. Look at the Superboy scene for example. MM showed he was way stronger than Superboy when he nigh casually choked him out. But then he got coma'd by the same guy he just did that too.

The difference between MM and top tiers is they can actually take a beating. Every single one of them has brutal fights. Not MM. The second the going gets tough he either folds or ends up sleeping. Had Superman taken those same hits MM took he would have gotten up maybe dazed a bit, tried to reason with SB, and then put him right back in the line where he belongs.

And the funny thing is, MM could conceivably be Majin Buu like in his malleability. Why is a guy that can morph his body and heal like nothing getting so easily ko'ed? And why does he even need a weakness? It's not like his intangibility even helps.

MM can't take shots in his weightclass and there's no way he could fight outside of it. Which is sad because even Rhino can hold his own outside his weightclass.

And even MM's tp has been displayed like his body too. As soon as the going gets tough he folds.

If this was a pushing or wrasslin match or a fight where he gets Superman's durability, then sure he could be argued to win. In a straight up fight though he gets deaded. Superman can take his shots, MM cannot take his. He can't even take half of it.

A fight between two MMs would be impossible to call because the first punch landed would decide the winner. That's how far behind his durability is to his strength.

Well, he did no sell Apollo's punch way back in Stormwatch. He also tanked Atrocitus's attacks and Wildfire's anti-matter energy. Don't forget his good showings, too.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
MM might very well be as strong as Superman. He just might.

But that's meaningless when he can neither fight or take a punch. Superman doesn't win fights just because he's stronger than everyone else. He wins fights because he doesn't fold like a little girl everytime he gets hit. Look at the Superboy scene for example. MM showed he was way stronger than Superboy when he nigh casually choked him out. But then he got coma'd by the same guy he just did that too.

The difference between MM and top tiers is they can actually take a beating. Every single one of them has brutal fights. Not MM. The second the going gets tough he either folds or ends up sleeping. Had Superman taken those same hits MM took he would have gotten up maybe dazed a bit, tried to reason with SB, and then put him right back in the line where he belongs.

And the funny thing is, MM could conceivably be Majin Buu like in his malleability. Why is a guy that can morph his body and heal like nothing getting so easily ko'ed? And why does he even need a weakness? It's not like his intangibility even helps.

MM can't take shots in his weightclass and there's no way he could fight outside of it. Which is sad because even Rhino can hold his own outside his weightclass.

And even MM's tp has been displayed like his body too. As soon as the going gets tough he folds.

If this was a pushing or wrasslin match or a fight where he gets Superman's durability, then sure he could be argued to win. In a straight up fight though he gets deaded. Superman can take his shots, MM cannot take his. He can't even take half of it.

A fight between two MMs would be impossible to call because the first punch landed would decide the winner. That's how far behind his durability is to his strength.

And yeah, J'onn sucks in durability. His "fights" with kryptonians like Zod or Cyborg Superman and even with a featless Mon-El showcased it. In all of those he was beaten with two or three hits.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Well, he did no sell Apollo's punch way back in Stormwatch. He also tanked Atrocitus's attacks and Wildfire's anti-matter energy. Don't forget his good showings, too.

The Apollo one is his best showing and I have serious doubts that would happen again in DC canon. He took one breath blast from Atrocitus and was rocked by a backhand. Then he almost got overloaded by using tp on Atroc, then he got backhanded again. I guess for anyone else that wouldn't be much but backhands should have ko'ed him I agree.
That was just called anti energy. And sonics were disrupting him in the same scene.

Also he had to move his brain over 4 inches or else Midnighter would have killed him by splintering his bone into his brain from that timeframe before he became the MM we all know and love.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
If those are his best showings then he might as well just give up.

The Apollo one is his best showing and I have serious doubts that would happen again in DC canon. He took one breath blast from Atrocitus and was rocked by a backhand. Then he almost got overloaded by using tp on Atroc, then he got backhanded again. I guess for anyone else that wouldn't be much but backhands should have ko'ed him I agree.
That was just called anti energy. And sonics were disrupting him in the same scene.

Also he had to move his brain over 4 inches or else Midnighter would have killed him by splintering his bone into his brain from that timeframe before he became the MM we all know and love.

We will just have to see what his ongoing will bring. Those aren't his only good showings, either.

The sonic attack was a decent feat, since he morphed around it, IIRC.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
MM might very well be as strong as Superman. He just might.

But that's meaningless when he can neither fight or take a punch. Superman doesn't win fights just because he's stronger than everyone else. He wins fights because he doesn't fold like a little girl everytime he gets hit. Look at the Superboy scene for example. MM showed he was way stronger than Superboy when he nigh casually choked him out. But then he got coma'd by the same guy he just did that too.

The difference between MM and top tiers is they can actually take a beating. Every single one of them has brutal fights. Not MM. The second the going gets tough he either folds or ends up sleeping. Had Superman taken those same hits MM took he would have gotten up maybe dazed a bit, tried to reason with SB, and then put him right back in the line where he belongs.

And the funny thing is, MM could conceivably be Majin Buu like in his malleability. Why is a guy that can morph his body and heal like nothing getting so easily ko'ed? And why does he even need a weakness? It's not like his intangibility even helps.

MM can't take shots in his weightclass and there's no way he could fight outside of it. Which is sad because even Rhino can hold his own outside his weightclass.

And even MM's tp has been displayed like his body too. As soon as the going gets tough he folds.

If this was a pushing or wrasslin match or a fight where he gets Superman's durability, then sure he could be argued to win. In a straight up fight though he gets deaded. Superman can take his shots, MM cannot take his. He can't even take half of it.

A fight between two MMs would be impossible to call because the first punch landed would decide the winner. That's how far behind his durability is to his strength.

Superman at his best will defeat MM. At like a practice run or something like that, MM would be on top, but in a serious fight to death or K.O. MM ain't got a chance with Supes.
In that case, who are saying mm's telepathy and all that , supes had faced all that and fire is the final word to finish ....🙂

Martian Manhunter should be able to win....on paper...never seems to transition well for the guy though...

Superman wins.