Originally posted by carver9Are you really this disingenuous? I don't often post here, but at least half the time I read what you post I'm in amazement because I've a hard time telling if you really believe wha you type, saying it because you're a troll and s trying get a rise out of certain SM fans, or delusional. Superman has Always been stronger than MM ever from Pre-Crisis on down, it's been DC official policy and been stated too many times to list. While DC has created possible rivals for SM in STR to challenge him, MM has never been on that short list. But when push comes to shove it's always been SM is number 1. To make it easier for you to find the latest Batman/Superman Annual #2 that came out this week again clearly states SM is the strongest person on the Planet.
In general. By the way, looking at their recent ft, wouldn't that make J'onn stronger than an average Superman?I'm also basing it off the fact that MM took on the League including Superman and held his own.
Originally posted by shadowknightI don't disagree about the Supes stronger than MM part, but in that latest annual wasn't it just Clark claiming he was the strongest again, rather than any sort of actual statement?
Superman has [B]Always been stronger than MM ever from Pre-Crisis on down, it's been DC official policy and been stated too many times to list. While DC has created possible rivals for SM in STR to challenge him, MM has never been on that short list. But when push comes to shove it's always been SM is number 1. To make it easier for you to find the latest Batman/Superman Annual #2 that came out this week again clearly states SM is the strongest person on the Planet. [/B]
Originally posted by shadowknight
Are you really this disingenuous? I don't often post here, but at least half the time I read what you post I'm in amazement because I've a hard time telling if you really believe wha you type, saying it because you're a troll and s trying get a rise out of certain SM fans, or delusional. Superman has [B]Always been stronger than MM ever from Pre-Crisis on down, it's been DC official policy and been stated too many times to list. While DC has created possible rivals for SM in STR to challenge him, MM has never been on that short list. But when push comes to shove it's always been SM is number 1. To make it easier for you to find the latest Batman/Superman Annual #2 that came out this week again clearly states SM is the strongest person on the Planet. [/B]
When did I say Martian Manhunter was stronger than Superman? Reread my post. I gave Superman the win but Superboy has received a huge push; HUGE PUSH and even before this he was listed as one of the most powerful beings on the planet. He has the fts to pull some wins against top tiers. The majority? No one said that but wins, he sure can. In regards to the thread, SUPERMAN WINS.
Originally posted by carver9
When did I say Martian Manhunter was stronger than Superman? Reread my post. I gave Superman the win but Superboy has received a huge push; HUGE PUSH and even before this he was listed as one of the most powerful beings on the planet. He has the fts to pull some wins against top tiers. The majority? No one said that but wins, he sure can. In regards to the thread, SUPERMAN WINS.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Superboy wouldn't get a single win against Superman. Come the **** on carter, even you can't believe the shit you're talking about.
Not just Superman, Thor and Hulk as well. After everything he's done, you dont think Superboy could pull at least a single win from them? Did you not have a huge debate about this not too long ago?
MM might very well be as strong as Superman. He just might.
But that's meaningless when he can neither fight or take a punch. Superman doesn't win fights just because he's stronger than everyone else. He wins fights because he doesn't fold like a little girl everytime he gets hit. Look at the Superboy scene for example. MM showed he was way stronger than Superboy when he nigh casually choked him out. But then he got coma'd by the same guy he just did that too.
The difference between MM and top tiers is they can actually take a beating. Every single one of them has brutal fights. Not MM. The second the going gets tough he either folds or ends up sleeping. Had Superman taken those same hits MM took he would have gotten up maybe dazed a bit, tried to reason with SB, and then put him right back in the line where he belongs.
And the funny thing is, MM could conceivably be Majin Buu like in his malleability. Why is a guy that can morph his body and heal like nothing getting so easily ko'ed? And why does he even need a weakness? It's not like his intangibility even helps.
MM can't take shots in his weightclass and there's no way he could fight outside of it. Which is sad because even Rhino can hold his own outside his weightclass.
And even MM's tp has been displayed like his body too. As soon as the going gets tough he folds.
If this was a pushing or wrasslin match or a fight where he gets Superman's durability, then sure he could be argued to win. In a straight up fight though he gets deaded. Superman can take his shots, MM cannot take his. He can't even take half of it.
A fight between two MMs would be impossible to call because the first punch landed would decide the winner. That's how far behind his durability is to his strength.