DCNU Darkseid VS Thor, Hyperion, Captain Marvel, Hulk

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Hal- Hal is anything BUT a non-factor here and any assertion otherwise doesn't match the canon.

Wonder Woman- Has enough defense and offensive capabilities through her gear to make her more than formidable.

Flash- You tried to deny it but it is central to any battle.

Rookie Superman was beating the crap out of Hal Jordan. Heck, even Wonder Woman was knocking him around.

Hal was treated as a joke in that opening arc. He has no business being compared to anyone in this thread imo. And Wonder Woman is also incredibly suspect in terms of power. Even with her bracers off, she's incredibly underwhelming. It's not her fault, her book is just incredibly toned down. If we compare Thor/Hyperion/Hulk from Marvel Now to her comic, they'd rip the First Born into pieces and he's above top tier in her Universe. It doesn't help that the last time she faced a herald level being (Doomsday), she broke both her arms trying to stop a punch. And based on his fight with Kryptonian exoskeletons, he's not exactly Hunter Prey level. He did send Superman flying with a sucker punch but that's about all it did. Who's left, Aquaman and his staff (We've seen how incredibly tough Atlantean craftsmanship is recently...) or Cyborg with his sonic canon?

I also hope people don't get too hanged up on the planet benching feat as it took place years after the Darkseid fight IIRC and it was specifically a result of Superman trying to push himself after Helspont gave him a concussion with a backhand to the moon. The latest issue said Earth 2 Superman was Darkseid's equal so the rematch will be interesting.

Now, personally, I don't think raw power feats are the only standard to judge character match ups by but I'm reading arguments from people who would do just that if the positions are reversed. So I want to be clear that this is easily applicable in this fight. Darkseid had a high end showing where he destroyed a planet. Cool. Hulk just punched out time and it took a Multiversal being a huge chunk of their power to restrain him, Thor has the entire Gorr arc basically, and Hyperion has his incursion feat so you know, no contest in terms of overall feats.

This all being said, I think this is a good fight but the team would win which imo is a fair assumption based on the sheer raw power they have, numbers, and Mjolnir being able to counter the Omega Beams.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Rookie Superman was beating the crap out of Hal Jordan. Heck, even Wonder Woman was knocking him around.

Hal was treated as a joke in that opening arc. He has no business being compared to anyone in this thread imo. And Wonder Woman is also incredibly suspect in terms of power. Even with her bracers off, she's incredibly underwhelming. It's not her fault, her book is just incredibly toned down. If we compare Thor/Hyperion/Hulk from Marvel Now to her comic, they'd rip the First Born into pieces and he's above top tier in her Universe. It doesn't help that the last time she faced a herald level being (Doomsday), she broke both her arms trying to stop a punch. And based on his fight with Kryptonian exoskeletons, he's not exactly Hunter Prey level. He did send Superman flying with a sucker punch but that's about all it did. Who's left, Aquaman and his staff (We've seen how incredibly tough Atlantean craftsmanship is recently...) or Cyborg with his sonic canon?

I also hope people don't get too hanged up on the planet benching feat as it took place years after the Darkseid fight IIRC and it was specifically a result of Superman trying to push himself after Helspont gave him a concussion with a backhand to the moon. The latest issue said Earth 2 Superman was Darkseid's equal so the rematch will be interesting.

Now, personally, I don't think raw power feats are the only standard to judge character match ups by but I'm reading arguments from people who would do just that if the positions are reversed. So I want to be clear that this is easily applicable in this fight. Darkseid had a high end showing where he destroyed a planet. Cool. Hulk just punched out time and it took a Multiversal being a huge chunk of their power to restrain him, Thor has the entire Gorr arc basically, and Hyperion has his incursion feat so you know, no contest in terms of overall feats.

This all being said, I think this is a good fight but the team would win which imo is a fair assumption based on the sheer raw power they have, numbers, and Mjolnir being able to counter the Omega Beams.

*starts licking Rage's body*

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
it took a Multiversal being a huge chunk of their power to restrain him.

Oh I see how this thing is

We put a guy with few apparitions and then we throw him on a feat contest vs some guys who have years of them and even though the one who has the least feats and best (hype) gets nerfed down to get defeated defeat by Thanos and I point this out in another thread, he will here win, because We are talking about Darkseid. But not in the other because "is Thanos"

I get it "Composite feat Marvel character" vs Thanos = Thanos wins

Composite feat Marvel charatcer vs Darkseid = Darkseid losses

Composite feat team wins based on feats

But Darkseid stomps based on the "Thanos wins logic" the hypocrites in here use

Watch as the House of El crumbles before you.

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Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I get it "Composite feat Marvel character" vs Thanos = Thanos wins

Composite feat Marvel charatcer vs Darkseid = Darkseid losses

Composite feat team wins based on feats

But Darkseid stomps based on the "Thanos wins logic" the hypocrites in here use

I don't think anyone here views it that way.

Thanos had time to establish himself over the years. He has busted a planet in the past, took on multiple teams and schooled high heralds like they were nothing, including the Marvel characters in this battle.

New 52 Darkseid on the other hand has planet busting feats speaking for him and that's it, but the Marvel characters have planetary level durability, so Darkseid's main advantage is already not really there anymore. He would be able to hurt them, but to stomp them? I doubt that.
On top of that Darkseid was not facing anyone, who was a real threat to him, when he fought the Justice League. Superman lacks the damage output, so do the others and the same applies for their durability.

Thor, Hyperion and Hulk though all have established strength and durability, which surpasses the one of the new 52 characters (of course if one doesn't take the Earth benchpress feat into account, but IMO that should never happen).

This is not a "MARVEL AND ESPECIALLY THANOS ARE BETTER THAN DC AND DARKSEID" thread.
It's a thread, where Darkseid loses, because everything he brings to the fight is power to bust planets, but there are more than enough indicators for the Marvel characters being able to take that damage and continue to fight.
What else did Darkseid do? He beat the Gods in his One-Shot, but they didn't really strike me as impressive at all, since all they did was to stomp on the much smaller humans and then Darkseid straight up murdered them by sneaking up on them, assassinating them and absorbing their power afterwards.

Let me say this: Put World War Hulk into the new DC Universe and you will have the same story as with Darkseid entering it and beating everyone up.
Feel free to prove me otherwise.

😂 Is true

This is a "composite feat" character that only appears when facing the other side, but somehow, is forgotten when facing the same side.

Strength and speed should be the game deciding factor and this is something people don't get

microsecond reaction time (super human reflexes) vs nanosecond reaction time (speedster reflexes)

There is a difference IIRC of 15 relative minutes, meaning that the person who has nanosecond reaction time will perceive the microsecond reaction time in slow motion for 15 minutes.

But this is always conviniently forgotten.

Originally posted by Enzeru
I don't think anyone here views it that way.

Thanos had time to establish himself over the years. He has busted a planet in the past, took on multiple teams and schooled high heralds like they were nothing, including the Marvel characters in this battle.

New 52 Darkseid on the other hand has planet busting feats speaking for him and that's it, but the Marvel characters have planetary level durability, so Darkseid's main advantage is already not really there anymore. He would be able to hurt them, but to stomp them? I doubt that.
On top of that Darkseid was not facing anyone, who was a real threat to him, when he fought the Justice League. Superman lacks the damage output, so do the others and the same applies for their durability.

Thor, Hyperion and Hulk though all have established strength and durability, which surpasses the one of the new 52 characters (of course if one doesn't take the Earth benchpress feat into account, but IMO that should never happen).

This is not a "MARVEL AND ESPECIALLY THANOS ARE BETTER THAN DC AND DARKSEID" thread.
It's a thread, where Darkseid loses, because everything he brings to the fight is power to bust planets, but there are more than enough indicators for the Marvel characters being able to take that damage and continue to fight.
What else did Darkseid do? He beat the Gods in his One-Shot, but they didn't really strike me as impressive at all, since all they did was to stomp on the much smaller humans and then Darkseid straight up murdered them by sneaking up on them, assassinating them and absorbing their power afterwards.

Let me say this: Put World War Hulk into the new DC Universe and you will have the same story as with Darkseid entering it and beating everyone up.
Feel free to prove me otherwise.

All I read was "years of composite feat character" vs a character who has less than 10 apparitions (2nd apparition was the CASUAL planet buster)

BTW keep negating that planet feat, it happen and I am expecting for you to concede your wrong analogy and that Superman should be more than capable to bust a planet.

And WWH would get defeated, btw.

I personally think that Darkseid wins this after a hard fought battle.

Originally posted by carver9
When has Darkseid fought a being that can absorb all of his energy output...another being that physical stats amplifies every time he get punched in the face?

Are you suggesting that the Hulk can't be KO'd by Darkseid?

If not what do you mean by "Physical stats get amplified every time he gets punched in the face"?

Thor alone isn't stopping Darkseid. Mjolnir may nullify the Omega Beams but there is the beast that is Darkseid left to deal with.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Watch as the House of El crumbles before you.

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The House of El crumbles before no one!

I'll overlook your insolence.. this time!

Originally posted by Enzeru
Let me say this: Put World War Hulk into the new DC Universe and you will have the same story as with Darkseid entering it and beating everyone up.
Feel free to prove me otherwise.

World War Hulk DIES in the DCNU!

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Yes, because with the exception of Mjolnir this team has abilities Darkseid has never faced before.. Oh wait

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
World War Hulk DIES in the DCNU!

Originally posted by quanchi112
nah. I hate Darkseid so much that I think that he loses to anyone and everyone

Hulk would not beat Darkseid by himself. Im a marvel fan and I even know that. Cmon. You guys need to stop with the bias bullshit. We know DC sucks. No reason to beat a dead horse. But darksied is still above our herald level characters.

What are some of New 52 Darkseids top end feats? Is his jobbing days over? Because thats what I am hearing. If so I say he may take this.

Originally posted by deathslash
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Originally posted by quanchi112
Losing to WW Hulk is no low mark. Look at how DD treated him in Hunter Prey.

Originally posted by Epicurus
IIRC, this is DCnU Darkseid, not pre-reboot DS.