What comes next

I am someone who believes that this life will serve our next state. That after out death, we won't simply stop existing. More specifically, since energy cannot be destroyed we'll simply pass into another existence, very possibly influenced by the negative or positive energy we build up during our time here. I've got plenty of other stuff that could go into it, but those are as near to certainties as anything for me now.

Anyway, I'm curious what others might think, what you all believe happens after we pass. My view is no more valid than anyone elses' so leave a post in what you believe.

Originally posted by Damborgson
More specifically, since energy cannot be destroyed we'll simply pass into another existence

When you die you Go to heaven if you believed in his son Jesus.

If you did not..God will judge you on judgement day and you will be judged by Justice Iteself on what your fate will be for all eternity..its really that simple.

Originally posted by Supra
When you die you Go to heaven if you believed in his son Jesus.

If you did not..God will judge you on judgement day and you will be judged by Justice Iteself on what your fate will be for all eternity..its really that simple.

That's not really simple though. That's amazingly complex. And raises endless points of questions and contradictions.

You are always here. There is no after life. You are the flower that blooms and then fads, but the tree lives on.

Originally posted by Bardock42
That's not really simple though. That's amazingly complex. And raises endless points of questions and contradictions.

But God is God I dont question my creator I just do as he asks

Originally posted by Supra
But God is God I dont question my creator I just do as he asks

It's true, the first question that comes to mind is if sex is allowed in heaven, and if it's not, is it really heaven?

Originally posted by BackFire
It's true, the first question that comes to mind is if sex is allowed in heaven, and if it's not, is it really heaven?

Good sex is heaven.

Originally posted by BackFire
It's true, the first question that comes to mind is if sex is allowed in heaven, and if it's not, is it really heaven?

You forgot 'consensual'.

Originally posted by Supra
When you die you Go to heaven if you believed in his son Jesus.

If you did not..God will judge you on judgement day and you will be judged by Justice Iteself on what your fate will be for all eternity..its really that simple.

What about obscure island people who have never heard of Jesus. Do they just go to Hell? Or the Void/Abyss/Purgatory?

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
You forgot 'consensual'.

I'm really not picky about that.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Energy doesn't need to be destroyed for the personality built up in a brain to cease existence.

It would for the soul to cease existing though. Which is what I was referring to.

Originally posted by Supra
When you die you Go to heaven if you believed in his son Jesus.

If you did not..God will judge you on judgement day and you will be judged by Justice Iteself on what your fate will be for all eternity..its really that simple.

I don't think so. If that's a road to get to a nirvana of some sort, well fine, but I find it hard to believe that the God of love that is described, will just as easily torch your ass by throwing you into a lake of fire for all eternity if you don't believe in him because....why again?

Even if you believe that we're essentially well polished shit that needs to be saved, wouldn't that make our God the greatest of failures?

Think about a time before you were born. The sights, the smells, really dig into your thoughts to unearth those early memories before you were even a protein chain in your father's ballsack.

Pretty much that, imo.

srug

Originally posted by BackFire
I'm really not picky about that.

So what if heaven is like the Shawshank Redemption?

Originally posted by Digi
Think about a time before you were born. The sights, the smells, really dig into your thoughts to unearth those early memories before you were even a protein chain in your father's ballsack.

Pretty much that, imo.

srug

Good thing none of my senses were developed back then.

Originally posted by Damborgson
I don't think so. If that's a road to get to a nirvana of some sort, well fine, but I find it hard to believe that the God of love that is described, will just as easily torch your ass by throwing you into a lake of fire for all eternity if you don't believe in him because....why again?

Even if you believe that we're essentially well polished shit that needs to be saved, wouldn't that make our God the greatest of failures?

It's described differently. A close inspection of most Biblical sects, and Bibles themselves for that matter, will reveal a God that ISN'T entirely about love. The "God is Love" movement is a fairly recent invention, historically.

In other interpretations, it's not God that judges you but you yourself that decides to be exiled due to being unworthy. Others will tell you that all or most end up in Heaven, but that sin is still an abomination.

The Lake of Fire is also Dante, if memory serves. What Hell actually is like is a bit ambiguous, scripturally speaking.

And the polished shit thing is attributable to free will. If God created us perfect and infallible, it would be tantamount to creating a bunch of wind up dolls. By giving us free will, evil is introduced, but it's still preferable and allows us to choose good instead of being good by default. Never mind that Christian free will is incompatible with a causal universe, but that's the justification usually.

Originally posted by Damborgson
It would for the soul to cease existing though. Which is what I was referring to.

Originally posted by Digi
It's described differently. A close inspection of most Biblical sects, and Bibles themselves for that matter, will reveal a God that ISN'T entirely about love. The "God is Love" movement is a fairly recent invention, historically.

In other interpretations, it's not God that judges you but you yourself that decides to be exiled due to being unworthy. Others will tell you that all or most end up in Heaven, but that sin is still an abomination.

The Lake of Fire is also Dante, if memory serves. What Hell actually is like is a bit ambiguous, scripturally speaking.

And the polished shit thing is attributable to free will. If God created us perfect and infallible, it would be tantamount to creating a bunch of wind up dolls. By giving us free will, evil is introduced, but it's still preferable and allows us to [b]choose good instead of being good by default. Never mind that Christian free will is incompatible with a causal universe, but that's the justification usually. [/B]

Dante had pits of fire, but the lowest level of hell was wretched ice. I think brimstone predates Dante, IIRC.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Dante had pits of fire, but the lowest level of hell was wretched ice. I think brimstone predates Dante, IIRC.

Right, right. I do know it's not really described in the Bible. Maybe we adopted the lake from some earlier or contemporary myths. I didn't want to pin it on Dante specifically without remembering for sure, but the overall point of that paragraph stands.

A lot of conventional ideas about heaven, hell, and angels are relatively new, or Middle Ages inventions. Angels having wings is a big one. Devils looking like Pan is another. Then you have the co-opting of foreign deities and monsters as demons in the early days and true Christianity is pretty much anyone's guess.

Actually...

It might have been an interpretation of Gehenna:

Isaiah 30:33
King James Version (KJV)
33 For Tophet is ordained of old; yea, for the king it is prepared; he hath made it deep and large: the pile thereof is fire and much wood; the breath of the Lord, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it.

Early versions of the Bible differentiated Gehenna with its brimstone action from Hades/Hell which was something else entirely, and those names are largely borrowed to represent She'ol, which was a kind of void or death realm that everyone went to after life.