Originally posted by h1a8
By feats WBH is more than billions of times stronger. I never championed Glads is stronger but that he can affect zeus.
I don't have to cite him doing it to prove that he can.
Yes you do. You made the claim. Now back it up with evidence.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85I have good reason to believe it is not canon. But ill find out. Google is my friend. Ill get back to you on that.
I refused to answer - because of your arrogant nature. When others have asked (sometimes, even when its unsolicited), I have provided scans and references.You, however, didn't even bother looking. Worse, when something new emerges which may challenge your world-view, you first reject it (is yours even canon?) and then expect others to do the legwork for you and spoon feed it to you. I am by no means an expert - far from it - but with the Watchmen, its not as if there are 100s of issues to read, and decades of back story to wade through. And even then, you still are not 100% in possession of the full facts.
You can use Google to find out.
Originally posted by h1a8
I have good reason to believe it is not canon. But ill find out. Google is my friend. Ill get back to you on that.
Let me guess - because it isn't part of your Watchmen GN as written by Moore?
Then that would set a dangerous precedent, and mean any Superman stories not involving Siegel and Shuster are invalid, for example.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Let me guess - because it isn't part of your Watchmen GN as written by Moore?Then that would set a dangerous precedent, and mean any Superman stories not involving Siegel and Shuster are invalid, for example.
I found it. It took me awhile. So you are using BeforeWatchmen : Doctor Manhattan
which is supposedly a prequel to Watchmen. Assuming it is canon, then the later story take precedence over what happened earlier (to argue character).
Now I found this article.
Dave Gibbons Dismisses Before Watchmen As “Really Not Canon”
“To me anything to do with the movies – as far as I’m concerned, what Alan and I did was the Watchmen graphic novel and a couple of illustrations that came out at the same time. Everything else – the movie, the game, the [laugh] prequels – are really not canon. They’re subsidiary. They’re not really Watchmen. They’re just something different."
Originally posted by Epicurus
That it's in his character to teleport people into black holes during a fight. You made the claim. Now prove it.
Well he has killed so that's not the issue. You are concerned whether he would think of such tactics right? If so, then eventually he will. It's just a matter of time. After all Thanos can't do jack shit to him. Even if the fight lasts for years then he will eventually think of it. After all, he's genius intellect and also has traveled the universe already.
In my honest opinion I believe he can matter manipulate Thanos with ease. He doesn't need to point and shoot a blast to do it either. He can just think it. Or he can teleport part of Thanos body away if that doesn't work (like his head off). Thanos is not immune to being teleported.
P.S. How come you don't argue character against those who support Thor. They have him doing some crazy shit in battle, even things he never done (like absorb whole beings into his hammer). Why don't you get on them?
Originally posted by h1a8
I found it. It took me awhile. So you are using BeforeWatchmen : Doctor Manhattan
which is supposedly a prequel to Watchmen. Assuming it is canon,
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then the later story take precedence over what happened earlier (to argue character).
Usually, yes. But DM is a different beast altogether. His past/present/future is all the same to him. So this point is moot. More to the point, the 'Before Watchmen' comic ends AFTER the events seen in Alan Moore's Watchmen....so even if you wanted to argue that point, its useless, as the events depicted in the prequel comic ends with an epilogue that is chronologically later than yours.
Now I found this article.Dave Gibbons Dismisses Before Watchmen As “Really Not Canon”
“To me anything to do with the movies – as far as I’m concerned, what Alan and I did was the Watchmen graphic novel and a couple of illustrations that came out at the same time. Everything else – the movie, the game, the [laugh] prequels – are really not canon. They’re subsidiary. They’re not really Watchmen. They’re just something different." [/B]
I know exactly what you were going to use. Hence my example of Siegel/Shuster, who fought DC over the use of Superman. The version of Superman seen now is radically different from what they envisaged. Yet, I am sure you will use feats as depicted by Loeb, McDuffie et al. Ultimately, DC own the character, NOT Moore, and NOT Gibbons. Their opinions, whilst theirs, have no bearing whatsoever on forum fights.
So, yes, an interesting anecdote, but ultimately pointless. Again, would you like a mod ruling?
Originally posted by Insane Titan
it happened on Celestial quest series issue 3 or 4.You still lied as it said it's unpleasant and not drains their power. Plus Thanos is a mutant eternal and I gave you instances that proved you wrong troll
It talks about draining their power too (not completely). I think volume 4. I'll try to find it when I get time. Then why does Thanos currently uses tech to teleport and why doesn't he teleport anymore since forever? Aren't current characters argued?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85But wouldn't writers and editors have a say whether a story line is canon or not? Is all comics canon? Are cereal box comics canon although they are owned by Marvel or the company? Dave Gibbons even laughed at the prequel (implying it was most certainly not canon). Basically it was a hell no, it's not canon.Why wouldn't it be? Shall we get a mod in to rule?
Usually, yes. But DM is a different beast altogether. His past/present/future is all the same to him. So this point is moot. More to the point, the 'Before Watchmen' comic ends AFTER the events seen in Alan Moore's Watchmen....so even if you wanted to argue that point, its useless, as the events depicted in the prequel comic ends with an epilogue that is chronologically later than yours.
I know exactly what you were going to use. Hence my example of Siegel/Shuster, who fought DC over the use of Superman. The version of Superman seen now is radically different from what they envisaged. Yet, I am sure you will use feats as depicted by Loeb, McDuffie et al. Ultimately, DC own the character, NOT Moore, and NOT Gibbons. Their opinions, whilst theirs, have no bearing whatsoever on forum fights.
So, yes, an interesting anecdote, but ultimately pointless. Again, would you like a mod ruling? [/B]
The comic you used CONTRADICTS the original. We clearly see DM using predictions to make actions and in another instance attempting to use predictions to make actions. We clearly see the writer's intentions to have DM interfere if it wasn't for Ozy tachyon transmitter. DM even said he was clever for doing it.
Originally posted by h1a8
But wouldn't writers and editors have a say whether a story line is canon or not? Is all comics canon? Are cereal box comics canon although they are owned by Marvel or the company? Dave Gibbons even laughed at the prequel (implying it was most certainly not canon). Basically it was a hell no, it's not canon.The comic you used CONTRADICTS the original. We clearly see DM using predictions to make actions and in another instance attempting to use predictions to make actions. We clearly see the writer's intentions to have DM interfere if it wasn't for Ozy tachyon transmitter. DM even said he was clever for doing it.
Alas for you, its canon. So no, seeing into the future is no trump card. Would you honestly like a mod ruling on the canonicity of Before Watchmen??
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
DM sees the past: "I feel nothing."
DM sees the present: "This big musculare half-mutant half-eternal is coming toward me. He wants to fight me."DM sees the future: "God it's hurt. Oh my ****ing God it's hurt. The ******* is laughing. Better stay dead and don't comeback until he leaves."
Originally posted by h1a8
But wouldn't writers and editors have a say whether a story line is canon or not? Is all comics canon? Are cereal box comics canon although they are owned by Marvel or the company? Dave Gibbons even laughed at the prequel (implying it was most certainly not canon). Basically it was a hell no, it's not canon.The comic you used CONTRADICTS the original. We clearly see DM using predictions to make actions and in another instance attempting to use predictions to make actions. We clearly see the writer's intentions to have DM interfere if it wasn't for Ozy tachyon transmitter. DM even said he was clever for doing it.
Editors would have a say. Len Wein was both editor on Watchmen AND Before Watchmen. He edits what the others say. That's his job. So...you don't really have a leg to stand on.
Ultimately, I don't care if Gibbons/Moore are happy with Before Watchmen. I'm not head of their fan club. This s a forum fight, and unless you can step up and actually give me some proof that it shouldn't be canon (and not the comments given by people not involved in the creative process, and who were CERTAINLY not given final say over the depictions) then...you're bang out of luck.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Well obviously he said it wasn't canon for good reason. Also I already pointed out that it contradicts the original. What more do you want?
Editors would have a say. Len Wein was both editor on Watchmen AND Before Watchmen. He edits what the others say. That's his job. So...you don't really have a leg to stand on.Ultimately, I don't care if Gibbons/Moore are happy with Before Watchmen. I'm not head of their fan club. This s a forum fight, and unless you can step up and actually give me some proof that it shouldn't be canon (and not the comments given by people not involved in the creative process, and who were CERTAINLY not given final say over the depictions) then...you're bang out of luck.
Originally posted by Magnon
"Two seconds from now. The Titan raises his hand and releases a stream of cosmic energy at me. I let it pass through me while I observe my opponent for a moment. He yells at me in frustration. A powerful mutant eternal, and an exceptional intellect -- an intellect striving for nihilism and death. One more second passes. I switch off the interactions which hold his form together, granting him his wish for death."
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