Dr. Manhattan vs. THANOS

Originally posted by Silent Master
And Thanos can just teleport out, you still haven't named a single valid way for DM to win

DM can control individual atoms. This is a fact. DM can teleport matter and objects. This is a fact. Thus DM can teleport individual atoms an DM teleports Thanos head off.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I do not need your agreement for it to be true. Why bring the movie up? Have you never read the comics?

I'm beginning to think you've never read the comics. I am usually quite patient - but if you are using movie depictions only, f*** off to the movie vs forums. This is the comic book versus forums. You may think it was a clever caveat that you inserted in there, but it wasn't.

I used to think you were actually a pretty good debater. Until I actually interacted with you, and discovered that you don't actually read the comics, you just make your mind up on the basis of your so-called 'common sense'. If anything, you've disappointed me, with the extent of your trolling.

You disagree with my statement that his choices do not affect the timeline where he made a different choice?

Sure, he MIGHT make a different choice (unlikely, as the comic then shows how scared he becomes of tampering with the timeline - he will still be in character, after all), but that would not affect the timeline where he gets punched in the blue dong.

Just answer a simple question for me. Have you actually read the comics?

I do read comics. I have posted many scans from all type of comics here before. What movie? I have read the comic silly. I don't know what the hell comic you just posted scans to but I have the original series and none of them look like the one you posted. In comic 12 of 12 it is shown that Ozy used tachyons to block DM future sight to prevent him from interfering with his plan. DM even says that was very clever. He also says, "Even if I can't PREDICT where i'm going to find you (because you disabled my future seeing), I can turn this place to glass." I can post the scans if you like.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Cite instances of him teleporting people into black holes.

That would be an option if DM can't kill him any other way. I already championed the idea that DM can simply teleport his head off.

Originally posted by h1a8
I do read comics. I have posted many scans from all type of comics here before. What movie? I have read the comic silly. I don't know what the hell comic you just posted scans to but I have the original series and none of them look like the one you posted. In comic 12 of 12 it is shown that Ozy used tachyons to block DM future sight to prevent him from interfering with his plan. DM even says that was very clever. He also says, "Even if I can't [b]PREDICT where i'm going to find you (because you disabled my future seeing), I can turn this place to glass." I can post the scans if you like. [/B]

You were the one who brought the movie up; coupled with your ignorance about the comics (as reinforced here) made me believe (and now know) that your knowledge is limited. You can post the scans, but mine will retcon yours as, in character, DM will:

A: not attempt to change the future;
B: even if he did, the original timeline is unaffected.

I have proved it with mine, so any scans you post will be moot.

Prediction is one thing; DOING something about it is another. Which is what I (and Jake) have said from the start. Please reread and understand what we've typed. For if you cannot even grasp something as simple as a few lines of text typed out here, clear as day, how can we expect to trust your understanding of Watchmen?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You were the one who brought the movie up; coupled with your ignorance about the comics (as reinforced here) made me believe (and now know) that your knowledge is limited. You can post the scans, but mine will retcon yours as, in character, DM will:

A: not attempt to change the future;
B: even if he did, the original timeline is unaffected.

I have proved it with mine, so any scans you post will be moot.

Prediction is one thing; [b]DOING something about it is another. Which is what I (and Jake) have said from the start. Please reread and understand what we've typed. For if you cannot even grasp something as simple as a few lines of text typed out here, clear as day, how can we expect to trust your understanding of Watchmen? [/B]

When did I bring up the movie in this thread? I don't recall ever doing that. You owe me an apology. I never even thought of the movie. I learned my lesson from Ozy vs. Cap a long time ago.

I have the very original comics written by Alan Moore. What comic are you reading?
Is yours even canon?
You don't understand. DM was going to use his prediction powers to find Ozy. He said so in so many words. That's why he said if I can't use it (my powers) then I can turn this place to glass. DM also stated that what Ozy did was clever in preventing him from interfering with his plot.

Originally posted by h1a8
When did I bring up the movie in this thread? I don't recall ever doing that. You owe me an apology. I never even thought of the movie. I learned my lesson from Ozy vs. Cap a long time ago.

Obviously not. See below, as posted on page 8 of this thread. I.e. the PREVIOUS page. If your memory about your own writings are so suspect, how can anyone trust your memories on something someone else wrote??

Originally posted by h1a8
That would contradict the movie and cimmon sense.

I have the very original comics written by Alan Moore. What comic are you reading?
Is yours even canon?

No, course not. I wrote and drew them myself. Good job covering up the fact that you have no idea what I'm talking about, though - and slinging mud in an attempt to throw my evidence's credibility into question. It won't wash.

Just admit you have limited knowledge about Dr Manhattan, and stop making a fool of yourself.

Ignorance, I can accept. Arrogance, not so much.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Obviously not. See below, as posted on page 8 of this thread. I.e. the PREVIOUS page. If your memory about your own writings are so suspect, how can anyone trust your memories on something someone else wrote??

No, course not. I wrote and drew them myself. Good job covering up the fact that you have no idea what I'm talking about, though - and slinging mud in an attempt to throw my evidence's credibility into question. It won't wash.

Just admit you have limited knowledge about Dr Manhattan, and stop making a fool of yourself.

Ignorance, I can accept. Arrogance, not so much. [/B]

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Obviously not. See below, as posted on page 8 of this thread. I.e. the PREVIOUS page. If your memory about your own writings are so suspect, how can anyone trust your memories on something someone else wrote??

No, course not. I wrote and drew them myself. Good job covering up the fact that you have no idea what I'm talking about, though - and slinging mud in an attempt to throw my evidence's credibility into question. It won't wash.

Just admit you have limited knowledge about Dr Manhattan, and stop making a fool of yourself.

Ignorance, I can accept. Arrogance, not so much. [/B]

Why do you assume that if a comic isn't canon it was created by you? I don't know if it is canon or not, hence I asked the question and not gave a statement. You can simply say yes and I'll believe you. But you chose to be defensive about it. Again, I have the original series. Here are the scans.

Sees into the future and decides to Informs Laurie

Tells Ozy he's clever for using tachyons to prevent him from interfering.
Tries to find Ozy using his prediction powers buy can't and threatens to turn the place into glass.

Here is his reforming ability and his reflex ability (Planck reflexes maybe?)
Also a durability feat of walking across the Sun

So I prove my case.

thanos wins

I can't believe H1 just posted scans. Wow...surprising.

Originally posted by h1a8

So no evidence whatsoever that he can change the future?

So no rebuttal of my point about you bringing up the movie?

So no evidence that refutes my scan which shows how his attempts to change the outcome of something merely creates a splinter universe which has no bearing on the original?

So no rebuttal to the point that, in character, DM would NOT attempt to change the outcome due to his experiences?

All you have proven, is your stubbornness, and trolling nature.

Originally posted by carver9
I can't believe H1 just posted scans. Wow...surprising.

Unfortunately, the one time he has done so, it is futile.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So no evidence whatsoever that he can change the future?

So no rebuttal of my point about you bringing up the movie?

So no evidence that refutes my scan which shows how his attempts to change the outcome of something merely creates a splinter universe which has no bearing on the original?

So no rebuttal to the point that, in character, DM would NOT attempt to change the outcome due to his experiences?

All you have proven, is your stubbornness, and trolling nature.

I just gave plenty of evidence that he can change the future in the scans I posted. Now you are ignoring evidence. He changes the future by merely looking into the future and deciding to tell Laurie a message that will occur 90 seconds later. He tells Ozy he is clever in how he prevented him from interfering. He attempts to use his prediction powers to find Ozy but can't because of the tachyons.

When I posted that, I did watch the movie again and accidentally referred to the movie. So you got me there. But I read the comics and most things happened the same way. I didn't say anything that didn't happen in the comic. So that means you didn't read the original comics.

I see no splinter of the universe when DM informs Laurie 90 seconds before something has happened.

I already proved it was in his character (you did too) in my scans. Did you even read them?

You have yet to provide what source you are using after I asked. So again, what comic did you post scans too? And I have posted scans many times here. I just don't do it often because most people know what the hell I'm referring to. I been a member here longer than any active member (or close to it) and I have posted scans plenty of times.

Originally posted by h1a8
I just gave plenty of evidence that he can change the future in the scans I posted. Now you are ignoring evidence.

When I posted that, I did watch the movie again and accidentally referred to the movie. So you got me there. But I read the comics and most things happened the same way. I didn't say anything that didn't happen in the comic. So that means you didn't read the original comics.

I see no splinter of the universe when DM informs Laurie 90 seconds before something has happened.

I already proved it was in his character (you did too) in my scans. Did you even read them?

Alas, your scans were retconned. So, with the new information that I presented with my, more recently published, scans, you are simply ignoring the comics now. I will report you, which is rare for me, but you have simply trolled and ignored evidence. Worse, when people show it to you, you ask if it is canon. In mine, Manhattan explicitly states when he attempt to change the future, both timelines become real. So the original, where he didn't make a change, is still in effect.

Also, with regards to your assertion that DM WOULD, in character, try and change the future, well, he fears himself. He knows that attempting to change the future can have negative consequences - he doesn't just, like the Midnighter, use it willy-nilly as a battle computer.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Alas, your scans were retconned. So, with the new information that I presented with my, more recently published, scans, you are simply ignoring the comics now. I will report you, which is rare for me, but you have simply trolled and ignored evidence. Worse, when people show it to you, you ask if it is canon. In mine, Manhattan explicitly states when he attempt to change the future, both timelines become real. So the original, where he didn't make a change, is still in effect.

Also, with regards to your assertion that DM WOULD, in character, try and change the future, well, he fears himself. He knows that attempting to change the future can have negative consequences - he doesn't just, like the Midnighter, use it willy-nilly as a battle computer.

So asking whether a comic is canon is called trolling? So asking what comic you are posting from is called trolling? So you still didn't give me the source. This comic can be from a cereal box for all I know. That's why I'm asking you. It's wrong to verify someone's source here? You refuse to answer and thus you are the one trolling and needs to be reported.

Also, I posted scans of him changing the future and also attempting to change the future (if it wasn't for the tachyons). I gave my sources, which is the original story written and conceived by the original writer.

Originally posted by h1a8
So asking whether a comic is canon is called trolling? So asking what comic you are posting from is called trolling? So you still didn't give me the source. This comic can be from a cereal box for all I know. That's why I'm asking you. It's wrong to verify someone's source here? You refuse to answer and thus you are the one trolling and needs to be reported.

Also, I posted scans of him changing the future and also attempting to change the future (if it wasn't for the tachyons). I gave my sources, which is the original story written and conceived by the original writer.

In that case, only Bob Kane's storylines are admissible for Batman?

I can only use Siegel/Shuster's depiction of Superman?

Asking if a comic is canon IS trolling, when its coming from you to me - especially when you word it thus:

'Is yours even canon?'

and

'...I don't know what the hell comic you just posted scans to...'

Rather than entertain the possibility that perhaps you might have a gap in your knowledge, the first thing you think of is 'his comic is non-canon...I obviously know all the canon published instances of Watchmen there are'.

That is arrogance. That is trolling.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
In that case, only Bob Kane's storylines are admissible for Batman?

I can only use Siegel/Shuster's depiction of Superman?

Asking if a comic is canon IS trolling, when its coming from you to me - especially when you word it thus:

'Is yours even canon?'

and

'...I don't know what the hell comic you just posted scans to...'

Rather than entertain the possibility that perhaps you might have a gap in your knowledge, the first thing you think of is 'his comic is non-canon...I obviously know all the canon published instances of Watchmen there are'.

That is arrogance. That is trolling.

But you still haven't told me the source. Again, how I'm I suppose to know whether it is canon or not without knowing the source.

I can have an opinion and it is fine but as long as I didn't actually claim it was something I'm not sure about. So again, what source are you using?

Originally posted by h1a8
That would be an option if DM can't kill him any other way. I already championed the idea that DM can simply teleport his head off.

Originally posted by h1a8
But you still haven't told me the source. Again, how I'm I suppose to know whether it is canon or not without knowing the source.

I can have an opinion and it is fine but as long as I didn't actually claim it was something I'm not sure about. So again, what source are you using?

I refused to answer - because of your arrogant nature. When others have asked (sometimes, even when its unsolicited), I have provided scans and references.

You, however, didn't even bother looking. Worse, when something new emerges which may challenge your world-view, you first reject it (is yours even canon?) and then expect others to do the legwork for you and spoon feed it to you. I am by no means an expert - far from it - but with the Watchmen, its not as if there are 100s of issues to read, and decades of back story to wade through. And even then, you still are not 100% in possession of the full facts.

You can use Google to find out.

Originally posted by Epicurus
So cite the instances of him doing so then. You also champion the idea of WBH being billions of times more powerful than RKT, Gladiator being stronger than Zeus etc. so your championing preferences are hardly relevant here.