Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
110 (Usain Bolt/Bruce Lee scan 😛 )80
90
0
1
Originally posted by Q99
110
90
100
Not really sure
80
Also a huge lulz @ Thor having 80% of combat speed as Superman and Gladiator being equal to him.
Re: Combat speed
Originally posted by abhilegend
If Superman's combat speed is 100, rate these characters' combat speed.1. Wonder Woman
2. Black Adam
3. Gladiator
4. Silver Surfer
5. ThorPreboot DC versions of characters. Go.
1) 90
2) 75-80
3) 50-80 (he fluctuates A LOT)
4) No clue
5) 50 (and I'm being generous)
Originally posted by abhilegend
How is wonder woman faster than Superman based on a writer's views who openly admitted that he nerfed Superman? Look who is getting blitzed and pimp smacked here.Also a huge lulz @ Thor having 80% of combat speed as Superman and Gladiator being equal to him.
You're hate for WW is bad.
Let's look at Sacrifice. Superman was in kill you mindset, using all of his powers to kill Diana believing she was DD, yet Diana's mindset was to stop Clark. Guess what? she did stop him every time he attacked her, even after he gained an unknown amount of boost from the sun.
Originally posted by abhilegend
How is wonder woman faster than Superman based on a writer's views who openly admitted that he nerfed Superman?
One, I don't think stuff you make up counts.
Two, multiple writers have written her doing better in HtH anyway. McDuffie, Rucka, Mouller... and Rucka's in the cornerstone of a major event and thus approved by top editorial. DC's highest level of approvals disagrees with you.
Look who is getting blitzed and pimp smacked here.
Ah, classic Abh "ignoring half the fight."
That's from For Tomorrow, where Superman is trying to get past Wonder Woman and fails, until another disaster shows up to draw her away. Superman, trying to simply get past Wondy, is unable to until she lets him go.
Originally posted by SquallX
You're hate for WW is bad.Let's look at Sacrifice. Superman was in kill you mindset, using all of his powers to kill Diana believing she was DD, yet Diana's mindset was to stop Clark. Guess what? she did stop him every time he attacked her, even after he gained an unknown amount of boost from the sun.
She blitzed him as well. Did some DBZ type attack. He freeze her, grabs a rock, turns around and she was gone. He couldnt trace her until she blitzed him from behind.
Originally posted by carver9
She blitzed him as well. Did some DBZ type attack. He freeze her, grabs a rock, turns around and she was gone. He couldnt trace her until she blitzed him from behind.
Yes, they're both capable of getting the drop on each other with speed.
But that's in the half of the fight Abh likes to pretend doesn't happen.
Originally posted by Q99
Yes, they're both capable of getting the drop on each other with speed.But that's in the half of the fight Abh likes to pretend doesn't happen.
I think Superman has faster flight speed whereas Diana has faster movement speed. It just doesn't get any better than her when it comes to that imo.
Originally posted by Q99Its not made up. Mcduffie actually admitted that in an interview.
One, I don't think stuff you make up counts.
Two, multiple writers have written her doing better in HtH anyway. McDuffie, Rucka, Mouller... and Rucka's in the cornerstone of a major event and thus approved by top editorial. DC's highest level of approvals disagrees with you.Wut? Superman fighting a larger opponent and missing everything is a case of her being better in h2h? Look who is faster according to the head of current DC.
He's faster than her flying on foot.
Ah, classic Abh "ignoring half the fight."Hahaha, you're one to point fingers.
That's from For Tomorrow, where Superman is trying to get past Wonder Woman and fails, until another disaster shows up to draw her away. Superman, trying to simply get past Wondy, is unable to until she lets him go.You mean where he was unwilling to fight her and was manhandling her like a kid? Where did he try to find a way around her anyway?
Originally posted by SquallX
You're hate for WW is bad.Let's look at Sacrifice. Superman was in kill you mindset, using all of his powers to kill Diana believing she was DD, yet Diana's mindset was to stop Clark. Guess what? she did stop him every time he attacked her, even after he gained an unknown amount of boost from the sun.
Originally posted by Pillow Biter
Where did Robinson openly admit to nerfing Superman?As an aside, I don't think his Bruce Lee/Usain Bolt idea really spread to the majority of writers--or even close.
You've written Superman before, in "Justice League Unlimited" and recently in the "Crisis on Two Earths" film. How does this version of Superman compare to the others you've written previously?Mcduffie: One of the things about writing Superman in "Justice League" is that if you write him at his full potential, then there's no need for the rest of the Justice League. So, you always have to sort of power him down or kind of Worf-Effect him so he doesn't solve the entire problem in four seconds. You have to adjust him in a way that makes him less effective than he normally is. That's probably true for every member in a team book who has their own solo thing, but it's really obvious with Superman. In this case, one thing, we're starting off with a Superman who is much more powerful than he's ever been, which is fun as well. I generally have to write a Superman who is much weaker than he usually is. The problem of having him in a story that's not a finite one-off like this is, is that if Superman is at full power, he just fixes everything and there's nothing to do next month.
Abh
Its not made up. Mcduffie actually admitted that in an interview.
Right, right *pats your head condescendingly*.
Now, putting aside stuff you made up, there's still all the other sources. We are talking like half-a-dozen writers here.
Superman fighting a larger opponent and missing everything is a case of her being better in h2h?
Except he never once looked 'above' her where DD's head level would be, he always reacted to and looked at where she actually is, has grabbed her arm (not the five-times-as-think DD one), her neck, dodges her lasso... which by your logic he shouldn't even see... and so on. The actions of the comic blatantly contradict your interpretation, he thought of her as DD but *fought* her at her own size.
Which you know, you just like to ignore 'cause it hurts your feelings.
Look who is faster according to the head of current DC.
Hey, you know that *every* source says he's faster in run speed/flight speed? It's just hand-speed/combat speed where Wondy's faster?
Hahaha, you're one to point fingers.
I am, actually 🙂 Keep in mind I acknowledge everything Superman does to Wondy, it's just unlike you I also include what she does back.
The opposite would be if someone said that WW was overwhelming Superman by ignoring the parts of the fight where Superman is doing well, and said it was one-sided in that direction. It's including every feat by both sides that's the whole picture.
You mean where he was unwilling to fight her and was manhandling her like a kid? Where did he try to find a way around her anyway?
Where they punched back and forth through the mountains and getting past her to *save Lois* is his entire purpose of being there?
See, this is what I'm talking about. They hit each other back and forth in that one, and you ignore everything she does.
Do you really think ignoring every time she hits him is convincing? You're like a little kid, refusing to admit anything he doesn't like.
You're arguing that a fight where Superman failed his objective until a distraction came along was a total Superman win where he, like, totally controlled the fight and manhandled her! What, those times she hit him and knocked him away from the objective? We should just totally ignore those! Yea, that's the ticket! Didn't happen! Everything happened as you said and not what those lying, deceitful pages of the comic that show her fighting back just fine say! All hail high canon Abhilegend, higher canon than the comics because he says so! Only *some* pages of a fight count on his word alone!
