Originally posted by JBL
So flash fights in a straight line then? Combat speed is far far more than running in a straight line like your last scan shows. I know what you are trying to twist that scan to show. You have a fatal flaw of giving opponents the advantage over you by giving them free easy shots at you. Im trying to help you you ungrateful %#@%$#.
Also lawlz @ you trying to help me.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankTrust me, i would give up my account to give him the Grandfather of ALL Clotheslines from Hell.
It's hard to argue with anyone with the Wrestling God as his signature.Be thankful he doesn't give you the Clothesline from Hell, abhi. sneer
Just for the record Jake, the real JBL hit me with one at my request at an event in Florida. It was one of the greatest moments of my life back then, JBL is a good sport and good person.
Originally posted by JBL
Trust me, i would give up my account to give him the Grandfather of ALL Clotheslines from Hell.Just for the record Jake, the real JBL hit me with one at my request at an event in Florida. It was one of the greatest moments of my life back then, JBL is a good sport and good person.
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That's pretty sweet. I follow his posts on his Facebook account and the like. Really intelligent guy and a great person to boot. His commentary makes me laugh out loud, especially when he buries Cole and King.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
PIS/jobbing. uhuh
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Originally posted by NemeBro
abhilegend must have the most severe case of micropenis ever recorded.
Anyway, here he outright states that he's faster than her in reflexes after casually snatching her off from air.
In her own book no less.
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While running speed is a better indication of combat speed than flying speed--much better--they still aren't necessarily synonymous. McDuffie's precise point was that reflexes and how quickly you need to think about your next move also factor in.
That being said, I think this thread has been a little silly. The bulk of continuity suggests that while Diana's training may mitigate some of Superman's raw speed advantage when it comes to combat, it isn't enough to fully offset it. Only one writer has suggested that it is. So I see no reason for people to be giving Diana a higher combat speed rating, at least theoretically--when both are fully using their speed.
What I would say is that the speed afforded by Diana's training is a lot more likely to come into play in most fights that EITHER of their raw super speed. As a result, Diana does probably fight faster than Clark in most fights. But she isn't faster when both are using their full super speed--not under the preponderance of writers.
A related, if off-topic, question:
In terms of speed, Superman is the equal of Barry/Jay/Wally, sometimes faster, sometimes slower, but let's say they're equal.
If the thrust provided by the Flash's legs is equalled by the thrust provided by Superman's powers (whether legs or flight)....
Could they do a Superboy Prime and push a planet?
Re: Combat speed
Originally posted by abhilegend
If Superman's combat speed is 100, rate these characters' combat speed.1. Wonder Woman
2. Black Adam
3. Gladiator
4. Silver Surfer
5. ThorPreboot DC versions of characters. Go.
Ignoring the speed inconsistencies with all these characters, Superman included, the only ones I would place well below 100 are Surfer and Thor. Surfer because he generally just doesn't show that level of speed outside of flight, though with his powers he probably has the potential. Thor because well, he just isn't that fast compared to other characters and Marvel just don't make their characters that way.
WW I place definitely slightly slower. If she was faster as well as being much more combat skilled I doubt he would ever land a single blow on her (especially when he is fighting half insane/mind controlled) Instead WW has the combat skill to somewhat offset Superman's speed advantage and she can stalemate him at least for a little while.
Gladiator and BA are kind of Superman clones. Glads has displayed his hyper-speed and potentially is up there with Supes, but he is too variable to place 100 or above. BA the same.
I place WW, BA, Glads as lowish to high 90s, give Surfer some benefit of the doubt at 80-90, and Thor << 50.
In actual on-panel fights PIS/CIS comes in and all these guys would somehow fight on an even footing in terms of combat speed, and depending on who the writer wants to push.
Originally posted by carver9
Has ABHI posted a combat speed ft yet? With that said, Gladiator is leading this with his nano second punching ft.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman is so much faster than Jay that he makes a blitzing Jay look like a statue.That's the same guy who is faster than Adam but Superman is only 2% faster than Adam?
A single nanosecond showing and you're 98% as fast as superman? Look who else has nanosecond showings and he's actually making strategies in a nanosecond with wally.
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A blitzing superman makes people with nanosecond reaction look like a statue. Not to mention Superman has three above nanosecond showings.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Only one writer has written her as faster, she isn't faster than him in any other writer's view. I would like to see these "many stories" where she is faster.
Nanosecond feats you say. Even a weakening Byrne Superman has nanosecond reaction feats.http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/NanosecondPerception.jpg
Fraction of a nanosecond suspended to eternity. Again Byrne Superman.
Nanosecond speed again.
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view¤t=superman_nano_second_reaction.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view¤t=as603p19.jpgShe blocked a few HV blast, so what? Superman while weakened has actively blocked several kryptonite beams at superspeed.
Also how many times it has to said, he wasn't trying to get past her. He's trying to take her away from the machine.
Not to mention the nanosecond showing was Hyperion punching after several nanoseconds. Gladiator just blocked it.
The same Hyperion got blitzed by Speed Demon BTW. In other words, shut up.
If nothing else this thread highlights just how overrated speed can be, characters can have a near lightspeed showing on one occasion but be incapable of stopping a bullet on the next. No different than a high end strength feat or power showing, yet these kind of feats are averaged out while some speedsters are painted as these completely untouchable gods on the forum despite the fact they are never portrayed to be.
The difference in speed between everyone in this thread is as negligible as the difference in strength with the only exception possibly being Thor. He has been depicted as slower than Gladiator on more than one occasion but he clearly is fast enough that he can hang. The whole reaction speed, combat speed etc is far from cut and dry when it comes to comics and should be treated as such. Trying to separate them into categories is only going to further muddy what are pretty murky waters to begin with.
