Originally posted by Mindset
Beating F4.
Beating Avengers.
Taking over the world.
Beating cosmic foes.
Obtaining cosmic power multiple times.
Beating Mephisto to save his mother.
Taking over Latveria.What else do you want?
I thought his stunt uni-cycling-whilst-blindfolded, was pretty impressive.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
JLA level foes such as who? OMAC's?
Doom's manipulated cosmic entities
So has Batman.
Oh, and Batman;'s actually outwitted intelligent cosmic entities, such as Darkseid.
and his prep feats shit on Batman's.
Batman is ten times the strategist he is. At best Doom would take the first round due to tech, gloat like the overconfident fool he is, and then realize that this was all Batman's plan the whole time. Batman strategizes circles around doom, and it isn't close.
Originally posted by panthergod
excuse me. not JLA level -- DC Earth threatening level.And?
So has Batman.
Oh, and Batman;'s actually outwitted intelligent cosmic entities, such as Darkseid.
Feel free to make a list.
Batman is ten times the strategist he is. At best Doom would take the first round due to tech, gloat like the overconfident fool he is, and then realize that this was all Batman's plan the whole time. Batman strategizes circles around doom, and it isn't close.
You're serious?
Doom is a Marvel Earth level threat by himself without trying to jack omnipotent power. He's consistently been referred to as the most dangerous man on the planet. Still, elaborate on to who these enemies Batman created are and how they are somehow on the same level as, or greater, than Doom.
Which cosmic entities? Darkseid is all you've got? Because Doom's went over numerous entities/beings on Darkseid's level and beyond.
And you want me to make a list of Doom's prep feats which utterly shit on Batman's? Okay.
-Stole the Beyonder's power
-Stole Scarlet Witch's power
-Stole the Power Cosmic (from both Surfer and Galactus)
-Invaded Wakanda and stole its Vibranium
-Obtained an alternate universe Infinity Gauntlet (after surviving Mad Celestials)
-Outwitted the Marquis of Doom
-Stole the Destroyer Armor and siphoned Asgardian life force to power it
Those are just a few of the more memorable ones. And you're deluded if you think Batman strategizes circles around Doom when the best minds of the Marvel Universe are regularly stumped by Doom and only just barely manage to thwart his plans (and in many cases, not even completely). Batman can barely manage to keep up with the likes of Joker and Ra's al Ghul on a regular basis and Doom is so far beyond both it's not even funny.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
You're serious?Doom is a Marvel Earth level threat by himself without trying to jack omnipotent power. He's consistently been referred to as the most dangerous man on the planet.
Wow, I've never heard that phrase before.
Still, elaborate on to who these enemies Batman created are and how they are somehow on the same level as, or greater, than Doom.
I'm not obligated to prove your assertions.
Which cosmic entities? Darkseid is all you've got? Because Doom's went over numerous entities/beings on Darkseid's level and beyond.
level of what?
Darkseid's mere presence was destroying 52 universes. He's singlehandly created machines that disrupted The source. He's manipulated events throughout time and space in seven Soldiers. He manipulated Orion into becoming his heir.
Batman demonstrated the ability to infiltrate his forces and take down his apparatus of control in Rock of Ages. Sure he died but it was always a suicide mission in order to get the Leaguers to the past.
He also outwitted super-genuises Makkari and simiyan and helped merk Darkseid in Final Crisis.
And you want me to make a list of Doom's prep feats which utterly shit on Batman's? Okay.-Stole the Beyonder's power
-Stole Scarlet Witch's power
Batman has proven able to cancel out Circe's magick.
-Stole the Power Cosmic (from both Surfer and Galactus)
IIRC he tricked a naïve ignorant individual in the surfer,. this is pre-Norrin Radd originally.
-Invaded Wakanda and stole its Vibranium
First genuinely impressive instance so far. Of course, this was one-sided Prep.
Batman beat Darkseid's Omega Sanction by going across the timesline and restoring his own archetypal legend.
-Obtained an alternate universe Infinity Gauntlet (after surviving Mad Celestials)
Hickman's run, correct?
IIRC, this was due to future Franklin and Valeria's machinations.
-Outwitted the Marquis of Doom
-Stole the Destroyer Armor and siphoned Asgardian life force to power it
So how does this apply to Batman?
Those are just a few of the more memorable ones. And you're deluded if you think Batman strategizes circles around Doom when the best minds of the Marvel Universe are regularly stumped by Doom and only just barely manage to thwart his plans (and in many cases, not even completely).
Most of them don't touch Batman strategically either. Iron Man and Panther come the closest.
Batman can barely manage to keep up with the likes of Joker and Ra's al Ghul on a regular basis and Doom is so far beyond both it's not even funny.
Believe or not, Joker when serious is Doom level, and can match most Doom feats you've cited so far in Last Laugh and Emperor Joker alone. It's not his average but he can get up there.
Lex Luthor chumped the Legion of Superheroes singlehandedly, obtained the power of Gods/cosmic beings. Batman consistently outwitted him as well, whether in No Man's Land,
Batman is the king of ninja Stealth in comics. He's stolen tech from Mr. Terrific and New Gods. Punisher has proven able to penetrate Doom's defenses in Latveria. Nothing stopping Bats from infiltrating Dooms fortresses and stealing his tech plans.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Like they have done to black panther several times, right?
Bringing up Black Panther is moot. Not only is he way smarter than Bruce but is a King(was) of a nation thats not only the most advanced on Earth, but has way more resources than Bruce could dream of.
Black Panther only took on a inexperienced FF and he had prep while they didnt. Again moot. And this is coming from A BP fanboy.
The FF would EASILY thrash Bruce in prep that its not even funny. No sane comicbook reader would ever compare Batman to the FF when it comes to prep.
Originally posted by panthergod
Batman creates JLA level foes. He's outsmarted Darkseid and The Devil. He consistently outwitted Luthor. Dooms egotism would be his downfall.
And the FF outwitted Galactus. And Dr Doom stole Galactus powers.
So me Batman doing something like that with prep. I DARE you.
Egotism may be his downfall or not.
Originally posted by Stranglehold300
Bringing up Black Panther is moot. Not only is he way smarter than Bruce but is a King(was) of a nation thats not only the most advanced on Earth, but has way more resources than Bruce could dream of.Black Panther only took on a inexperienced FF and he had prep while they didnt. Again moot. And this is coming from A BP fanboy.
The FF would EASILY thrash Bruce in prep that its not even funny. No sane comicbook reader would ever compare Batman to the FF when it comes to prep.