Originally posted by Stranglehold300
And the FF outwitted Galactus. And Dr Doom stole Galactus powers.So me Batman doing something like that with prep. I DARE you.
Egotism may be his downfall or not.
Darkseid outwitted Galactus as well.
Batman outwitted Darkseid on multiple occasions.
Rock of Ages, Final Crisis, Superman/Batman : Supergirl arc.
Doom's Ego will absolutely be his downfall. it's his greatest
psychological weakness, and Batman will ruthlessly exploit it.
Originally posted by panthergod
Darkseid outwitted Galactus as well.Batman outwitted Darkseid on multiple occasions.
Rock of Ages, Final Crisis, Superman/Batman : Supergirl arc.
Doom's Ego will absolutely be his downfall. it's his greatest
psychological weakness, and Batman will ruthlessly exploit it.
In what canon story did Darkseid outwit Galactus?
Originally posted by panthergod
Wow, I've never heard that phrase before.I'm not obligated to prove your assertions.
level of what?
Darkseid's mere presence was destroying 52 universes. He's singlehandly created machines that disrupted The source. He's manipulated events throughout time and space in seven Soldiers. He manipulated Orion into becoming his heir.
Batman demonstrated the ability to infiltrate his forces and take down his apparatus of control in Rock of Ages. Sure he died but it was always a suicide mission in order to get the Leaguers to the past.
He also outwitted super-genuises Makkari and simiyan and helped merk Darkseid in Final Crisis.
Not impressive as prep. He was getting merked by Beyonder and out willed him. not a prep feat.
citation?
Batman has proven able to cancel out Circe's magick.
IIRC he tricked a naïve ignorant individual in the surfer,. this is pre-Norrin Radd originally.
First genuinely impressive instance so far. Of course, this was one-sided Prep.
Batman beat Darkseid's Omega Sanction by going across the timesline and restoring his own archetypal legend.
Hickman's run, correct?
IIRC, this was due to future Franklin and Valeria's machinations.
Marquis of Doom intellect showings?
So how does this apply to Batman?
Most of them don't touch Batman strategically either. Iron Man and Panther come the closest.
Believe or not, Joker when serious is Doom level, and can match most Doom feats you've cited so far in Last Laugh and Emperor Joker alone. It's not his average but he can get up there.
Lex Luthor chumped the Legion of Superheroes singlehandedly, obtained the power of Gods/cosmic beings. Batman consistently outwitted him as well, whether in No Man's Land,
Batman is the king of ninja Stealth in comics. He's stolen tech from Mr. Terrific and New Gods. Punisher has proven able to penetrate Doom's defenses in Latveria. Nothing stopping Bats from infiltrating Dooms fortresses and stealing his tech plans.
You've never heard that Doom is consistently and constantly referred to as the most dangerous man on the planet? Well, I'd hate to tell you it's not hype, not based on his laundry list of feats.
You're not obligated? You brought up Batman creating these foes as a counterpoint/argument. All I'm asking you to do is elaborate on who these beings are that somehow makes Batman > Doom.
I know who Darkseid is. And Batman outwitting him at grave risk to himself doesn't trump Doom's long storied history of doing similar things to similar, if not more powerful entities. And Batman needs help and assistance from a network of allies and friends to pull off his best prep feats. Doom doesn't. Batman briefly stalling Darkseid and either getting his ass kicked or Omega Sanctioned isn't all that much of a "win" for him, either.
Not impressive? wat
Yeah, Scarlet Witch's power is another level than Circe's. Completely.
So, tricking someone doesn't count somehow? Okay. Still doesn't change the fact that Doom is smart enough to develop a machine capable of absorbing one of the most potent energy sources in the Marvel Universe as he sees fit.
They're all impressive. Though way to somehow discredit Doom invading Wakanda.
And Batman beat the Omega Sanction with the help of his friends and allies, as evidenced by the fact that he finally admitted that in spite of his loner mentality, he was never alone. There was also the fact that Darkseid intended Batman to reach the present to begin with so that he'd activate the bomb.
That was more Doom being able to turn disadvantage into advantage with the Council of Reeds and Mad Celestials in the way than anything. And even if you want to attribute Franklin and Valeria as assisting factors, how is that any different from Batman's feats relying on the aid of others to pull them off?
He personally mentored Doom. That's also without factoring in how grossly powerful he was.
How does it apply to Batman? Because it shows that Doom consistently displays knowledge of magic and sorcery that Batman just can't even hope to match? That's a huge advantage.
Most of them don't touch Batman strategically? Are you kidding me? Cap, Cyclops, Mr. Fantastic, and Iron Man are among the greatest leaders and field tacticians in Marvel. Even if you somehow think Batman is better than any one of them, he's sure as hell not better than all of them put together. And T'Challa has far more resources than Batman can hope to match and he was humbled extremely by Doom. It's not like Batman can overthrow Wakanda by himself.
Joker usurping Mxy's power wasn't even by his design completely. Mxy intended to give Joker 1% for the laughs. But even taking that into effect and giving Joker that feat, easily his best feat ever, it's such a ridiculous outlier (and even lampshaded as such) it clearly doesn't change his overall standing in the grand scheme of things. Fact of the matter is, Joker's average is staggeringly beneath Doom's average. All of Batman's rogues are.
Luthor is a poor man's Doom who doesn't have the knowledge Doom has in magic, the track record of taking down cosmic/omnipotent beings, nor the sheer and overt power in terms of technology and sorcery Doom has without prep. Batman outsmarting in No Man's Land doesn't mean he can out smart someone who's better than Lex in almost every aspect across the board.
Doom steals high end tech/artifacts (and powers) all the time. And Punisher breaking into Latveria is both a high end feat for Castle and a low end feat for Doom considering the invasion forces Doom's repelled. The number (and quality) of people who Doom has detected entering Latveria are higher than those who managed to sneak in.
Doom has better tech than Batman.
Doom is smarter than Batman.
Doom has insanely powerful magic that Batman has no reliable answer to.
Doom has way more resources than Batman.
How exactly does Batman win?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Panther isn't even as smart as Bruce much less way smarter.
Prove it.
T'Challa's prep feats outclasses Batmans prep feats. Even Doom himself shows him respect.
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s417/KingMichael777/Comics/2892839-ff31206_super_zps10503c50.jpg
But thats not the point and lets get to the nitty gritty. Black Panther while in Hells Kitchen without his magical herbs and LIMITED resources with 10 MINUTES developed a device to shut off Typhoid Marys powers.
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s417/KingMichael777/Comics/2602801-scan0197_zps3af01856.jpg
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s417/KingMichael777/Comics/2571512-2280310_blackpanther_527_thegroup_014_zps20545445.jpg
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s417/KingMichael777/Comics/2602835-scan0211_zps54f315bc.jpg
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s417/KingMichael777/Comics/2602838-scan0212_zpsadf24fe8.jpg
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s417/KingMichael777/Comics/2602831-scan0209_zps73f6e71d.jpg
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s417/KingMichael777/Comics/2602832-scan0210_zpse2375d6d.jpg
Now thats just 10 minutes and with limited resources. Now...What happens when he uses ALL his resources?
Yeah thats how scary T'Challa is...Not only that...He has a plan to actually take down Galactus(he used it on Silver Surfer), outsmarted and defeated Mephisto, defeated Tony Stark(who is good with prep himself, not only that but was wearing an armor that was used against T'Challas suit) in prep(and even stated he can easily make an Iron Man armor), defeat an amped up Doom and SLAUGHTER a whole Skrull invasion. Tell me where does Bruce match up?
How in Gods name will Bruce defeat Doom let along Reed Richards(just the tonight of him beating Reed makes me laugh) in a prep war when he would struggle with T'Challa?
Originally posted by panthergod
Darkseid outwitted Galactus as well.Batman outwitted Darkseid on multiple occasions.
Rock of Ages, Final Crisis, Superman/Batman : Supergirl arc.
Doom's Ego will absolutely be his downfall. it's his greatest
psychological weakness, and Batman will ruthlessly exploit it.
What??? When has Darkseid outwitted Galactus? Are you talking about that non canon instance??
Originally posted by Stranglehold300
Prove it.T'Challa's prep feats outclasses Batmans prep feats. Even Doom himself shows him respect.
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s417/KingMichael777/Comics/2892839-ff31206_super_zps10503c50.jpgBut thats not the point and lets get to the nitty gritty. Black Panther while in Hells Kitchen without his magical herbs and LIMITED resources with 10 MINUTES developed a device to shut off Typhoid Marys powers.
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s417/KingMichael777/Comics/2602801-scan0197_zps3af01856.jpg
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s417/KingMichael777/Comics/2571512-2280310_blackpanther_527_thegroup_014_zps20545445.jpg
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s417/KingMichael777/Comics/2602835-scan0211_zps54f315bc.jpg
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s417/KingMichael777/Comics/2602838-scan0212_zpsadf24fe8.jpg
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s417/KingMichael777/Comics/2602831-scan0209_zps73f6e71d.jpg
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s417/KingMichael777/Comics/2602832-scan0210_zpse2375d6d.jpgNow thats just 10 minutes and with limited resources. Now...What happens when he uses ALL his resources?
Yeah thats how scary T'Challa is...Not only that...He has a plan to actually take down Galactus(he used it on Silver Surfer), outsmarted and defeated Mephisto, defeated Tony Stark(who is good with prep himself, not only that but was wearing an armor that was used against T'Challas suit) in prep(and even stated he can easily make an Iron Man armor), defeat an amped up Doom and SLAUGHTER a whole Skrull invasion. Tell me where does Bruce match up?
How in Gods name will Bruce defeat Doom let along Reed Richards(just the tonight of him beating Reed makes me laugh) in a prep war when he would struggle with T'Challa?
http://batmanfeats.blogspot.kr/p/special-prep-time.html
http://batmanfeats.blogspot.kr/p/standardadvanced-prep-time.html
http://batmanfeats.blogspot.kr/p/story-linesevents-prep-time.html
What does sending Wakanda to negative zone if galactus ever attacked has to do with taking down galactus or using his scientists to negate Mephisto's magic has to do with Panther being smarter than Batman? Or showing his resources has to do with his smartness?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Doom showing respect while wrecking Panther is supposed to mean something?
Originally posted by abhilegend But since you're getting so worked over something, I would post the scans which you added wrongly BTW. Go here for his extended prep feats.http://batmanfeats.blogspot.kr/p/special-prep-time.html
http://batmanfeats.blogspot.kr/p/standardadvanced-prep-time.html
http://batmanfeats.blogspot.kr/p/story-linesevents-prep-time.html
But to the nitty gritty. In the link most of the people Batman defeated in prep battles are not smarter than the people T'Challa has defeated in prep battles.
Name people Bruce defeating people like these in prep battles:
1. Doctor Doom-Smartest villain on Earth. I don't need to go into details for him because his prep feats crushes almost everyones prep feats in the link you just posted.
2. Tony Stark-Not bad with prep himself and IMO has far better prep feats than anyone in that link. With prep he took on Thor, Phoenix, Hulk, Doom,etc. Its been stated by some that Stark is on the level of Reed when it comes to prep. But who knows?
3. Mephisto-A hell lord who is master of manipulation and has been around for how long.
4. Silver Surfer-Not as smart but still its Silver Surfer.
The only impressive ones were his against Lex and Darkseid and I have no doubt that Doom would defeat those two in a prep battle.
Originally posted by abhilegend
What does sending Wakanda to negative zone if galactus ever attacked has to do with taking down galactus or using his scientists to negate Mephisto's magic has to do with Panther being smarter than Batman? Or showing his resources has to do with his smartness?
It seems you have bad reading comprehensions. And so I will explain myself in full details.
1. Mephisto is a master of manipulation and has been around for a long time. And yet T'Challa took him out. T'Challa outsmarted him fair and square.
2. As for resources...It shows you didn't read my post clearly. I showed you T'Challa developing a device with limited resources and with 10 minutes to shut off someones powers. Thats how resourceful and impressive T'Challa's intelligence is. That he had LIMITED resources and LESSER TIME. Now imagine if he had ALL his resources. Which is why I stated it would be SCARY for Batman. Not only that, but T'Challa wasa King of a advanced nation and has led many military expedition. So he already outclasses Bats in strategies/tactics.
