Balrog's are simply beyond dragons. Unless we're talking about the king of the dragons.. balrog would normally win. even then if we're talking about the best dragon.. then we'd also have to mention gothmog. Normal humans have killed ragons... it has taken high elven elfs to kill Balrogs and they in turn died doing so. Seems pretty clear to me that Balrogs are above dragons.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Balrog's are simply beyond dragons. Unless we're talking about the king of the dragons.. balrog would normally win. even then if we're talking about the best dragon.. then we'd also have to mention gothmog. Normal humans have killed ragons... it has taken high elven elfs to kill Balrogs and they in turn died doing so. Seems pretty clear to me that Balrogs are above dragons.
The "best" dragon, Ancalagon, was so big he crushed three mountains when he died... He destroys Gothmog and all the other balrogs at once.
And as I mentioned earlier, every time we have actually seen a dragon slain it isn't in a one-on-one battle. Heck, Turin, one of the great heroes of the Silmarillion, admitted he stood no chance against the dragon Glaurung in battle.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiDid you see the film yet ? Smaug definitely wins. Gandalf beat this weak thing. Glad can't take blows with Smaug.
Balrog's are simply beyond dragons. Unless we're talking about the king of the dragons.. balrog would normally win. even then if we're talking about the best dragon.. then we'd also have to mention gothmog. Normal humans have killed ragons... it has taken high elven elfs to kill Balrogs and they in turn died doing so. Seems pretty clear to me that Balrogs are above dragons.
First off,
your post didn't restrict this to being D. Bane's balrog.. it could be any number of them.. but even using just bane as the Balrog... we're talking about a creature from the older world.. from the same place Gandalf.. Saruman, Lady of the forest etc etc come from. We're talking about a being that is a maiar and essentially omniscience. The rule of thumb generally is the older the more powerful.. just look at the old elvish kings.. they are considerably more powerful than 3rd age elves. Shit, even their weapons are better. As stated... NORMAL HUMANS HAVE BEATEN DRAGONS AND LIVED THEMSELVES. It has taken high elven kings to beat balrogs and they are die in the process. Seems clear to me balrogs win
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiThis is the movie forum genius which means only the movie versions. 😂
First off,your post didn't restrict this to being D. Bane's balrog.. it could be any number of them.. but even using just bane as the Balrog... we're talking about a creature from the older world.. from the same place Gandalf.. Saruman, Lady of the forest etc etc come from. We're talking about a being that is a maiar and essentially omniscience. The rule of thumb generally is the older the more powerful.. just look at the old elvish kings.. they are considerably more powerful than 3rd age elves. Shit, even their weapons are better. As stated... NORMAL HUMANS HAVE BEATEN DRAGONS AND LIVED THEMSELVES. It has taken high elven kings to beat balrogs and they are die in the process. Seems clear to me balrogs win
Again, movie versions only. Quit with the hyperbole. Its awful. You don't even know how the movie versus works. Smaug has greater feats, is far bigger, is smarter, etc. The Balrog doesn't have one advantage.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
First off,your post didn't restrict this to being D. Bane's balrog.. it could be any number of them.. but even using just bane as the Balrog... we're talking about a creature from the older world.. from the same place Gandalf.. Saruman, Lady of the forest etc etc come from. We're talking about a being that is a maiar and essentially omniscience. The rule of thumb generally is the older the more powerful.. just look at the old elvish kings.. they are considerably more powerful than 3rd age elves. Shit, even their weapons are better. As stated... NORMAL HUMANS HAVE BEATEN DRAGONS AND LIVED THEMSELVES. It has taken high elven kings to beat balrogs and they are die in the process. Seems clear to me balrogs win
Lol, Maiar aren't omnipotent or omniscience. Not even close. Heck, one of the mightiest of them, Melian, straight up said that no one could defeat the dragon Glaurung. Also you keep ignoring the fact that humans never actually beat dragons one-on-one. Not to mention, dragons shattered entire armies of first age Elves.
Seems pretty clear you have no idea what you are talking about.
Originally posted by Tzeentch
Birds.Birds, man. There's no coming back from that.
And the Hosts of Valar. And it was Earendil, ME's "chosen one", that ultimately slew him somehow (presumibly with the Silmaril).
Gothmog, on the other hand, was impaled by Ecthelion's helm and tripped into a fountain where he drowned....
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, that is exactly what we do. We only use the movie versions. This isn't the book version, genius.
It doesnt matter what version its is, the characters history and general identity remain intact. The only debatable aspect exclusive to a movie versus thread are movie feats and character depiction.
Edit: "genius"