Originally posted by h1a8
Vision's hand can be inside Thor with ANY density.
Vision increases his density and can become diamond hard, all while being inside Thor's chest.
So Thor has a hand shaped hole in his chest? Even if it was the density of air, it still has volume and mass. Which needs to be displaced. You're just trolling now.
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Doesn't help against a mystical mallet.
Why not? Thor throws the hammer and it goes right through him. Thor tries to slam and the hammer goes right through him.
After thinking about it DM beats Thor easily. Teleport the hammer away, atomize Thor, teleport Thor to black hole, teleport Thor's head off, **** Thor's insides up. All just by thinking about it.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So Thor has a hand shaped hole in his chest? Even if it was the density of air, it still has volume and mass. Which needs to be displaced. You're just trolling now.
Vision increases his density while inside his victims chest. That means his density is ever increasing as time passes. Otherwise vision would not be able to harden at all. This is not "hard" to understand.
Originally posted by Uriel005to restate the issue.... can someone close this thread. I think its pretty clear its a moot point because there is nothing to compare Dr. Manhattan to in his home universe to say how he would do in a herald level+ fight.
Again people ignoring whats probably the biggest issue here. Dr. Manhattan has 0, Nunca, aucun, Nada etc. etc. showings against anything above street level and hearsay. We have no idea what his energy resistance stands at. Mjolnir might be able to absorb his body/energy but we know he can reform from having his intrinsic field holding his atoms together. We also know he did it with relative ease. What we don't know is how easy it is for him to do it multiple times. 3 times, a dozen, infinitely. We know that his perception is really good i.e. when he comments to ozzy about how he sees the world followed by his statement that Ozzy means no more to him than a roach. But how does any of this apply to a fight with a herald level being let alone a top tier herald... Nothing I mean this is an absolute moot point we have no idea how good his attacks would do if he simply deconstructed Thor on a molecular level. Does he have the power to overcome Thor's defenses against such an attack or is it rendered completely useless.Is anyone else seeing the problem here.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankDoes that mean he can't do it? Does having no feats prove that one can't do something? If it doesn't then fight is inconclusive and thread is over.
Manhattan has no feats of being able to atomize someone like Thor, let alone teleport organs or body parts off. facepalm
My reasoning was that DM can control not only molecules, but subatomic particles. He has also been shown to teleport matter (which is made of molecules). So logically speaking, DM can teleport any matter he chooses, that means organs, heads, etc. Durability doesn't protect against being teleported. That's why Nightcrawler can teleport heads off.
Originally posted by Uriel005
to restate the issue.... can someone close this thread. I think its pretty clear its a moot point because there is nothing to compare Dr. Manhattan to in his home universe to say how he would do in a herald level+ fight.
Pretty much 👆, Manhattan thinks he's a god, we will see when he faces a real God in Thor who is not only a Thunder God but also a God of War. Manhattan sh** in his pants after he sees the future as Thor beats the living sh** out of him and there is nothing Manhattan can do about it accept take his a$$ whooping like a man!!
Originally posted by Omega VisionThe problem is whether he can beat anyone above IM but not whether anyone above IM can beat him. IMO, I don't see anyway beating someone who can reform over and over, duplicate himself many times, grow to maybe any size, become intangible to phase through attacks, has shown Planck reflexes, and can see into the future.
Pretty sure Manhattan would beat Iron Man. Anyone above that level...idk.
Also I believe he can beat most beings above IM by simply separating their atoms or teleporting parts of their body off or simply teleporting them to black holes, core of stars, etc.
Originally posted by Uriel005The problem is that Surfer hardly ever tries to matter manipulate anyone. The one's he tried it on worked.
You can't argue it either way. Just like how Surfer has molecular manips does not necessarily mean he instakills hulk. He has to overcome durability/resistances/defenses. Manhattan has no showings one way or the other to say how he would do.
Also Surfer's matter manipulation isn't the same as DM's matter manipulation. Surfer needs to shoot blasts to matter manipulate. DM can matter manipulate just by thinking about it. He not only controls matter at a fine degree (below the sub atomic level) but time and space as well.
He has the option of matter manipulate or teleportation or a combination of both.
I see DM as basically omnipotent (potentially anyways).
Originally posted by h1a8
The problem is that Surfer hardly ever tries to matter manipulate anyone. The one's he tried it on worked.Also Surfer's matter manipulation isn't the same as DM's matter manipulation. Surfer needs to shoot blasts to matter manipulate. DM can matter manipulate just by thinking about it. He not only controls matter at a fine degree (below the sub atomic level) but time and space as well.
He has the option of matter manipulate or teleportation or a combination of both.
I see DM as basically omnipotent (potentially anyways).
Only DM has zero feats to suggest that he's omnipotent, this is just another example of you making things up.