From other thread..sums this thread up
Originally posted by h1a8
Thanos can't do anything physical to DM. DM can reform, duplicate to multiple beings, become intangible, grow to immense sizes, etc. DM can either matter manipulate Thanos, teleport parts of his body off, or simply teleport him to black holes. DM isn't just going to sit there and allow Thanos to do his best.When has Thor absorbed a being into Mjolnir? Come on now. You telling me Thor has done those things? We all know DM can teleport beings away because he has done it. So inferring that DM (genius level intellect) can teleport someone to a black hole is wrong? While inferring what Thor can do isn't?(when he never specifically done such things in a comic)
Healing factor doesn't protect you from getting your atoms separated instantly or parts of your body teleported away. DM has options. If all options fail then teleporting to a black hole is feasible.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
DM isn't omnipotent.He could only stop 99% of all nukes headed to America.
He couldn't be everywhere at once (Ozy's words)
He couldn't stop Comedian from killing the Vietnamese woman, or even reverse the killing after it was done.
He couldn't stop JFK from being killed.
You know the Vietnamese Woman thing was because DM just really didn't give a **** right.
He said it multiple times before, he doesn't really care what mankind ultimately do with there lives. Maybe not in those exact words.
DM sees and changes what suits him, not what suits Humankind. That's why he didn't let the world know it was Ozy that killed all of those people. Because in the end it wouldn't really benefit him.
It's stupid to think that a genius like DM, that can see events before they unfolds can't think of a way of winning.
DM gives himself prep even before the fight even began.
Originally posted by SquallX
You know the Vietnamese Woman thing was because DM just really didn't give a **** right.He said it multiple times before, he doesn't really care what mankind ultimately do with there lives. Maybe not in those exact words.
DM sees and changes what suits him, not what suits Humankind. That's why he didn't let the world know it was Ozy that killed all of those people. Because in the end it wouldn't really benefit him.
It's stupid to think that a genius like DM, that can see events before they unfolds can't think of a way of winning.
DM gives himself prep even before the fight even began.
Am currently arguing this with h1a8 at the moment, but no, he doesn't change things 'just to suit him'. He made this decision in the past, but for DM, the past is the future is the present:
In addition, 'changing the future' doesn't mean the original timeline gets erased. So say for example, Thor pummels him with Mjolnir. He sees this in advance, and moves his head out of the way. All that means is that he creates a second reality where he doesn't get hit. The first reality, where his face got punched in, still exists:
Originally posted by janus77
I've not gone through the whole thread, but who were the intangibles?
Surtur at one time was attacked by the Black knight wielding the ebony blade.The ebony blade by the way was able to cut the Android Vision while being intangible.Yet the same ebony blade went straight through Surtur without getting cut as if you're wielding a sword and trying to cut fire.Yet Thor with his hammer Mjolnir hit Surtur and made him feel pain.Vision also tried being intangible but got hit by Thor using Mjolnir.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85He can't prevent the future he already sees himself doing (because it is the most logical thing to do). Meaning, if it is logical for him to duck an attack then this is the future he sees and thus can't prevent it.
Not to mention, his own words: 'I can't prevent the future'.Ozymandias later creates his machine to interfere with DM's future vision, because he is paranoid and has contingency plans for everything. It doesn't mean that DM would have actually stopped him, had he known about it.
This is supported by how DM used the future predictions to make actions in the past. This is supported by DM saying that Ozy was clever for using tachyons to prevent him from interfering.
This is supported by DM attempting to use predictions to try to find Ozy.
Originally posted by IgnizLOL writer's have different interpretations. Surtur for the most part has been tangible (fire is tangible anyway). Otherwise he couldn't to touch or pick up anything, including his sword. Also Vision wasn't intangible at all. He was only intangible when entering Thor's chest. After that he started increasing his density (he became tangible) and that's when Thor affected him. Remember water is tangible and so is air.
Surtur at one time was attacked by the Black knight wielding the ebony blade.The ebony blade by the way was able to cut the Android Vision while being intangible.Yet the same ebony blade went straight through Surtur without getting cut as if you're wielding a sword and trying to cut fire.Yet Thor with his hammer Mjolnir hit Surtur and made him feel pain.Vision also tried being intangible but got hit by Thor using Mjolnir.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85When you are desperate looking for someone to make an error not only will you not find it but commit one of your own.
Originally posted by h1a8
I see DM as basically omnipotent (potentially anyways).
Originally posted by h1a8
I never claimed he was omnipotent. It's irrelevant one way or the other.
There is no contradiction here.
1. I said, "see" as in I believe (which is an opinion).
2. I said, "basically" which means not exactly
3. I said, "potentially" which means it is not the case yet.
4. DM was getting more powerful as the story progressed.
Originally posted by h1a8
When you are desperate looking for someone to make an error not only will you not find it but commit one of your own.There is no contradiction here.
1. I said, "see" as in I believe (which is an opinion).
2. I said, "basically" which means not exactly
3. I said, "potentially" which means it is not the case yet.
4. DM was getting more powerful as the story progressed.
GOD BLESS AMERICA..Someone finally said it
Originally posted by h1a8DM was not getting 'more powerful' as the story progressed he was shown using his already existing power level more.
When you are desperate looking for someone to make an error not only will you not find it but commit one of your own.There is no contradiction here.
1. I said, "see" as in I believe (which is an opinion).
2. I said, "basically" which means not exactly
3. I said, "potentially" which means it is not the case yet.
4. DM was getting more powerful as the story progressed.
And he still did not show anything coming close to Thor's power levels.
And this is what boils down to every DM vs High Herald debate.
DM never showed what he was truly capable of. There were some quantifiable notches given to him like he can only stop 99% of the nuclear warheads launched at the US.
Other than that he was a god character inserted into a world where he was the only superpowered being. Minus some of the time relational things(Even though Heralds possess those traits as well) beings like Superman, Thor, Surfer, Green Lantern would have been able to do the exact same things, and based on feats much more than DM ever did.
So what ends up happening in these threads is you get people arguing DM's powerset and implied power vs what was shown which isn't enough to take on Heralds.