Mace's description of Vaapad from Jedi vs Sith: The New Essential Guide to The Force was recorded in 22 BBY; Shatterpoint and the events that occured happened in 21,5 BBY, proving that the superconducting loop was well established already.
With that in mind, I ask you once more...
Why did Mace lose to Vastor?
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And I submit to you once more this answer; because he was not privy to giving himself over fully to Vaapad due to his fear of the darkness at that time. Thus, even though he utilized Vaapad, he did not do so to its fullest extent until after the events of Shatterpoint, as mentioned in the RotS passages I posted earlier.
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Right.
But he did. For that matter, Mace later on recorded that he would never have beaten Vastor. Further more, your logic is lacking as well. If Mace was capable of fighting as fast as he did against Sidious, why is it that he never overwhelmed Count Dooku on Boz Pity, which took place in 19,5 BBY? Why is it that he never beat Grievous, who was repeatedly beaten by Dooku, by the virtue of fighting skill and speed, but by exploting the General's lack of mobiliy on the mag-lev train they were fighting on in 19 BBY?
First of all, if I remember correctly, Mace Windu got the better of Dooku in that duel, forcing Dooku to have his MagnaGuards interfere.
Second, Mace Windu, if using the supercondicting loop theory, may not be able to complete said loop with a non-Force sensitive being such as Grievous (just my thoughts however).
Third, there was no evidence that Mace couldn't have overwhelmed Grievous had he chose to continue then lightsaber engagement. He saw an opportunity to end it quickly, and did just that.
To claim that Mace's duel, and subsequent victory over Sidious wouldn't happen again is, again, asinine. Especially in light of George Lucas' comments and other supporting material.
Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
First of all, if I remember correctly, Mace Windu got the better of Dooku in that duel, forcing Dooku to have his MagnaGuards interfere.
Even if he would have overwhelmed Dooku (of which I am unconvinced), this by no means allows him to compete with Sidious, who would trounce Dooku.
Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
Second, Mace Windu, if using the supercondicting loop theory, may not be able to complete said loop with a non-Force sensitive being such as Grievous (just my thoughts however).
Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
Third, there was no evidence that Mace couldn't have overwhelmed Grievous had he chose to continue then lightsaber engagement. He saw an opportunity to end it quickly, and did just that.
Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
To claim that Mace's duel, and subsequent victory over Sidious wouldn't happen again is, again, asinine. Especially in light of George Lucas' comments and other supporting material.
He never got the better of Dooku, and never forced Dooku to call on his Magnaguards or to flee.
Mace attacks. Dooku defends. Notes that Mace will not kill him today and proceeds to have Magnaguards attack Mace. Dooku flees. Dooku knew his shit was in trouble.
Mace still assumed a Vaapad stance against him.
GG assumed a Vaapad stance as well. Big deal. Mace Windu ended the fight in short order.
In addition, I present this:
Grievous is no threat to Mace Windu.
Mace fought Vastor with intentions to win, giving his all, and while being submerged deep into Vaapad, yet lost and later admitted he never would have won
Already addressed numerous times. Moreover, Mace Windu "admitting" that he could never beat him means little in light of his other humble statements. Again, this is one of his character traits.
BTW - he nearly killed Vastor right after saying this.
Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
Mace attacks. Dooku defends.
Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
Notes that Mace will not kill him today
Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
Dooku knew his shit was in trouble.
Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
Mace Windu ended the fight in short order.
Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
In addition, I present this:Grievous is no threat to Mace Windu.
Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
Already addressed numerous times.
Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
Moreover, Mace Windu "admitting" that he could never beat him means little in light of his other humble statements. Again, this is one of his character traits.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Not really. That he considers Kenobi and Depa Billaba skilled swordsmen does nothing to invalidate his own admission about Vastor's prowess in comparison to his own.
But doesn't Mace also say that Depa's bladework is superior to his own? While this is quite obviously not the case?