Originally posted by Intrepid37
Bulq could challenge them, as seen in his fight with Mace.
Nope.
As for the amp thing/idea, the idea is that Mace's intimate love for the Republic was complete shattered which increased the darkness within him so much that he amped himself off it and gained the speed amp.
Pure conjecture.
Mace, after the events mentioned in the Shatterpoint novel, was no longer afraid of the darkness, and was able to immerse himself in Vaapad more fully. Again, this is who Mace is and what he does. That's part of his ability set.
And no matter what, he not only competed, but DEFEATED Sidious. Therefore your argument crumbles.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
So? Just like it doesn't necessarily mean that Dooku is more skilled than Mace, it doesn't necessarily mean that Dooku would stomp Bulq again.
Yes it does. Dooku would stomp Bulq, as would Mace. He lost to Quinlan Vos.
What do you mean by conjecture?
Its an opinion made on the basis of incomplete information. In other words your opinion and your opinion only. Its not fact or anything close to it.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
He beat Vos, then got cheap shotted. I have all the scans if you really want to read it.
But Vos still gave him hell in the duel. Vos got fodderized by Agen Kolar for crying out loud.
What information is missing?
Vaapad is based on a loop. Mace is able to do so well against Sidious because of Sidious' immense darkness not because of Mace's increased inner darkness.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
[B]Bulq beat him fairly comfortably iirc. Kolar would challenge Mace and Dooku, so moot point.
Kolar would not challenge Mace or Dooku.
So why did he lose to Kar Vastor?
Did you seriously just compare the power amp he'd get from the embodiment of the Dark Side to Kar Vastor?
It is not a stretch. Kolar is one of the Order's supreme duelists.
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The fact remains that Vaapad is a way to channel your own dark side energies into a weapon of light. As for Vastor, yes. The dark side in the jungle they fought in was so strong that Mace compared Vastor's raw power to Anakin and Yoda. Yet he neter feeded off it and beat Vastor.
Maces inner darkness does have a great deal to do with the amp he receives from Vaapad.
That's why he was able to give himself fully to Vaapad after the events of Shatterpoint, where he was able to overcome his fear of the darkness.
So, to answer Intrepid's question; he lost because he was still holding back, due to his hesitation of giving himself over to Vaapad.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
It is not a stretch. Kolar is one of the Order's supreme duelists.
Yes it is a stretch. Windu and Dooku are in a different league.
The fact remains that Vaapad is a way to channel your own dark side energies into a weapon of light. As for Vastor, yes. The dark side in the jungle they fought in was so strong that Mace compared Vastor's raw power to Anakin and Yoda. Yet he neter feeded off it and beat Vastor.
As Jinsoku said he was holding back. And Kar Vastor isn't anywhere near Sidious in raw dark side energies amp or no. Mace had already been able to give himself fully to Vaapad. What changed was that the being at the other end of the loop was immensely powerful.