Titanic Gospel: There's Only Two

Shaky, JIA is clearly of some newfangled Evangelical sect and has very strict ideas of who is or isn't kosher enough to understand and interpret God and spiritual enough to get it. Even though he wants us all to believe so we can frolic in heaven instead of burning in hell.

This kind of sophistry has been used for centuries to keep commoners from guessing and keep the church in power. Which church is irrelevant; most exercise this narrow scope of who can and can't read and define God's word, even though that's what Martin Luther protested among other things.

JIA is to religious obfuscation and misdirection what contact juggling is to anal beads, and addressing him further is fruitless.

Supra, your level of conventional moral reasoning assumes that ethics cannot exist unless it is subject to the whims of God. You are saying anything that God approves of is good and anything he detests is evil. So if God came to you in a dream and told you to kill infidels, would you question this? Or would you blindly attach yourself to his alien agenda and commit murder?

I don't understand how people can believe that God is a good guy, even if he does exist. Instead of you know, forcibly preventing evil from happening he makes a virgin give birth to a guy who converts the beginning of a movement that will be persecutes for three centuries before the same man is tortured and killed.

FOR OUR SINS.

Like, wtf. How is this a good act versus you know, just not having bad things take place? You mean to tell me Jesus' sacrifice or the sacrifice of his followers and later their religious enemies was okay because God said so? Pass the pipe.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose

Supra, your level of conventional moral reasoning assumes that ethics cannot exist unless it is subject to the whims of God. You are saying anything that God approves of is good and anything he detests is evil. So if God came to you in a dream and told you to kill infidels, would you question this? Or would you blindly attach yourself to his alien agenda and commit murder?

I don't understand how people can believe that God is a good guy, even if he does exist. Instead of you know, forcibly preventing evil from happening he makes a virgin give birth to a guy who converts the beginning of a movement that will be persecutes for three centuries before the same man is tortured and killed.

You associate God as a Guy, he is Yahweh, not a man or a woman. He is God..since time immemorial.

His power is so great for he told one of his greatest servants who asked to look at him

"No one can see my face, for if you do, you will surly die" but I will shield you with my hand and I will pass by you and you can look upon my back"

Yahweh is so powerful he could not even control his own power from killing Moses so he shields him from his power to still be able to see him from the back.

Yahweh is all powerful and all knowing.. He is omnipotent and his power is incalculable but he loved us all so much, he re created himself as a man, born unto the virgin Mary..who suffered and then died for us..

He was willing to die for us to save us. Jesus was God but He was Not Yahweh God Almighty for if he was Yahweh no once could look upon his face..

That is God.

God is Yahweh
Immanuel is Jesus, Jesus is part of Yahweh, but not actually Yahweh for he sits at Yahwehs right hand.
The Holy Spirit is his power..which connects them and all of us to his power.

You guys try to confuse Gods will and Jesus actions. But its unexplainable because they are one in the same yet they are complexity/completely different for not even the Son of God know the day the hour or the minute.

Because not even the Son know the day the hour or the minute, that draws the line between Yahweh and Jesus

Yahweh took a portion of his power and created Jesus..Jesus prayed to Yahweh God the Fatther..

Yahweh is God Almighty, he is as complex as God and as Simple as Love.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Shaky, JIA is clearly of some newfangled Evangelical sect and has very strict ideas of who is or isn't kosher enough to understand and interpret God and spiritual enough to get it. Even though he wants us all to believe so we can frolic in heaven instead of burning in hell.

I grew up in a church that believed we were the only true church, and all others were made by satan. So, I do understand. Thank you for warning me. But we differ in one way; if I can find my way to freedom, then so can JIA. I don't care if he believe like me. He can believe however he wishes. I just want him to think about it. If he really cares about other people, then he will walk in their shows and stop telling people they are going to hell. After all, if God chooses to let me and you into heaven just as we are, then what is JIA going to say to Jesus? "Wait! You said they have to go to hell!"

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
This kind of sophistry has been used for centuries to keep commoners from guessing and keep the church in power. Which church is irrelevant; most exercise this narrow scope of who can and can't read and define God's word, even though that's what Martin Luther protested among other things.

It is difficult struggle. Ignorance is the true enemy.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
JIA is to religious obfuscation and misdirection what contact juggling is to anal beads, and addressing him further is fruitless.

I've always been on the side of the underdog. If I can't help him in this life time, then the next. As I have said before: He is the Buddha to me right (don't take it litterally).

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
I don't understand how people can believe that God is a good guy, even if he does exist. Instead of you know, forcibly preventing evil from happening he makes a virgin give birth to a guy who converts the beginning of a movement that will be persecutes for three centuries before the same man is tortured and killed.

People don't like unanswerable questions. They would rather have a wrong answer then none at all.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
FOR OUR SINS.

If sins are mistakes, then how can I learn and grow if someone else pays my way? The forgiveness of sin is one of the most devastating ideas that humans have ever come up with.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Like, wtf. How is this a good act versus you know, just not having bad things take place? You mean to tell me Jesus' sacrifice or the sacrifice of his followers and later their religious enemies was okay because God said so? Pass the pipe.

The origin of that idea is really interesting. I recommend the "The Life of the Cosmos" by Lee Smolin. He talks about how the idea of a perfect heaven and imperfect world got its start. I think you would enjoy it.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I grew up in a church that believed we were the only true church, and all others were made by satan. So, I do understand. Thank you for warning me. But we differ in one way; if I can find my way to freedom, then so can JIA. I don't care if he believe like me. He can believe however he wishes. I just want him to think about it. If he really cares about other people, then he will walk in their shows and stop telling people they are going to hell. After all, if God chooses to let me and you into heaven just as we are, then what is JIA going to say to Jesus? "Wait! You said they have to go to hell!"

That is why you believe this way.. All CHURCH IS WRONG!!!

CHURCH IS NOT JESUS

JESUS IS THE CHURCH

Jesus = Church
Church != Jesus.

For real?

Also, God is so powerful no one could look at him. Just like the Wizard of Oz!

Moses asked to look at him and he said "No one can look at me for if you do; you will surely die"

The man doing His will, guiding his people asked and God said, "You will Die, for no one can see my face"

Jesus is the Church

The Church is not Jesus

The Church is the Believers in Jesus

The Church is the People that believe in the actual Jesus, most four walls and a roof "gathering places" are not an actual church, they are a lie to steal from the poor and line the pockets of the "pastors"

99.9% of churhes are from what the bible says are wrong.

How dare you steal from Gods People

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Jesus = Church
Church != Jesus.

For real?

Also, God is so powerful no one could look at him. Just like the Wizard of Oz!

You do know that god has a back?

But I thought God could do anything including create the world in six days. Why can't Moses look at him?

Also, you didn't address your logical conundrum.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You do know that god has a back?

Usually showing your back to someone is a sign of disrespect.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
But I thought God could do anything including create the world in six days. Why can't Moses look at him?

Also, you didn't address your logical conundrum.

Illogical conundrums are much more fun.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Usually showing your back to someone is a sign of disrespect.

Take off your shoes for the ground you are standing on is holy is what he said..

God is not measured by human disrespect he is God, you cannot explain the unexplainable, that is how it is. You just have to accept that some things are beyond us..

Update: Stop editing your posts afterwards. If you can't hammer out a coherent point don't waste my time needlessly by posting something and then expanding on it after I reply to the first incarnation, Supra. You do this all the time.

Now,, regarding your logical fiasco:

A is B
B is not A
Therefore, A is B and B is C, but neither B or C are A.

Do you not recognize the troll logic of this statement?

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
But I thought God could do anything including create the world in six days. Why can't Moses look at him?

Also, you didn't address your logical conundrum.

No one can look at him, not even the angels.

Originally posted by Supra
Take off your shoes for the ground you are standing on is holy is what he said..

God is not measured by human disrespect he is God, you cannot explain the unexplainable, that is how it is. You just have to accept that some things are beyond us..

If you can't explain the unexplainable, how come you're always right about God and I'm universally wrong?

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Update: Stop editing your posts afterwards. If you can't hammer out a coherent point don't waste my time needlessly by posting something and then expanding on it after I reply to the first incarnation, Supra. You do this all the time.

Now,, regarding your logical fiasco:

A is B
B is not A
Therefore, A is B and B is C, but neither B or C are A.

Do you not recognize the troll logic of this statement?

Your letting anger get the best of you brother its just a debate..

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Update: Stop editing your posts afterwards. If you can't hammer out a coherent point don't waste my time needlessly by posting something and then expanding on it after I reply to the first incarnation, Supra. You do this all the time.

Now,, regarding your logical fiasco:

A is B
B is not A
Therefore, A is B and B is C, but neither B or C are A.

Do you not recognize the troll logic of this statement?

You need a variable variable.

Where is the troll logic? I dont see any

Clearly.

And Supra, I am not angry. Just because I don't shower my posts with emoticons to prevent hurting someone's e-feelings in a debate I'm often accused of being angry, but it's not the case.

You dodged the direct question again. But that's irrelevant because your idea that Jesus is the church but the church isn't Jesus is axiomatically wrong.

And a red herring.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Clearly.

And Supra, I am not angry. Just because I don't shower my posts with emoticons to prevent hurting someone's e-feelings in a debate I'm often accused of being angry, but it's not the case.

You dodged the direct question again. But that's irrelevant because your idea that Jesus is the church but the church isn't Jesus is axiomatically wrong.

And a red herring.

Bro you wont answer Saurons composition or make up after repeated questions in the LOTR..how am I doing anything different?

E-feeling, nothing but e-feeling. Stealth Moose, that is the best thing I have ever read from you!