Originally posted by Stealth Moose
What are you talking about? I answered you at length about Sauron and Melkor, even though you could have read the books or at least checked wikipedia. I did that out of the kindness of my faithless heathen heart.
Go look at my last post few posts about Sauron, answer my question and Ill answer yours here.
Originally posted by Supra
Go look at my last post few posts about Sauron, answer my question and Ill answer yours here.
Whatever it was must have been unimportant since you can't relate it to me concisely here. But you can't defend your point anyways. All I see from you is throwing crap out, hoping something will stick and spouting off biased absolutes which lack even the most basic of proofs.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Whatever it was must have been unimportant since you can't relate it to me concisely here. But you can't defend your point anyways. All I see from you is throwing crap out, hoping something will stick and spouting off biased absolutes which lack even the most basic of proofs.
You said I dodged direct question, what was it?
You've dodged multiple. Reread my posts for the past 2-3 pages. You didn't answer if you would kill "infidels" if God demanded it, regardless of context. You didn't answer the problem of how God's whims make for a reliable ethical system. You didn't answer why can't God make himself visible if he is so powerful he made the world in six days.
That's just a few. You're average response is like this:
- Red herring
- Attack the person, not the argument
- More misdirection
- Rabid quotes about how great Yahweh is without examining anything
- Double standards
- Calling people trolls
- Reporting them for being trolls
- Rinse and repeat.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
You've dodged multiple. Reread my posts for the past 2-3 pages. You didn't answer if you would kill "infidels" if God demanded it, regardless of context. You didn't answer the problem of how God's whims make for a reliable ethical system. You didn't answer why can't God make himself visible if he is so powerful he made the world in six days.That's just a few. You're average response is like this:
- Red herring
- Attack the person, not the argument
- More misdirection
- Rabid quotes about how great Yahweh is without examining anything
- Double standards
- Calling people trolls
- Reporting them for being trolls
- Rinse and repeat.
Can we forget that past and start over? I have made some mistakes..Im only human
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
If you can't explain the unexplainable, how come you're always right about God and I'm universally wrong?
I can explain as much as I have been gifted. Do you know or believe in God or have felt his presence or his power in your life.
Have you ever seen or experienced the unexplained in a miracle in from of your eyes or been taking into the spirit?
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
And... he's... out of here...
Face me or stay out of it.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
You've dodged multiple. Reread my posts for the past 2-3 pages. You didn't answer if you would kill "infidels" if God demanded it, regardless of context. You didn't answer the problem of how God's whims make for a reliable ethical system. You didn't answer why can't God make himself visible if he is so powerful he made the world in six days.That's just a few. You're average response is like this:
- Red herring
- Attack the person, not the argument
- More misdirection
- Rabid quotes about how great Yahweh is without examining anything
- Double standards
- Calling people trolls
- Reporting them for being trolls
- Rinse and repeat.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
No, you're accountable for your own thoughts and ideas, which you are pushing here. Either answer the challenge or back down.
Don't ask me questions in turn, Supra. You are being held accountable here. Answer the questions put forth to you. I have been more than fair and you have been childish in your insistence to dodge the point and question the motives, abilities, and behaviors of others.
Either this is a debate, or you concede. I am not interested in your excuses or your misdirection.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I grew up in a church that believed we were the only true church, and all others were made by satan. So, I do understand. Thank you for warning me. But we differ in one way; if I can find my way to freedom, then so can JIA. I don't care if he believe like me. He can believe however he wishes. I just want him to think about it. If he really cares about other people, then he will walk in their shows and stop telling people they are going to hell. After all, if God chooses to let me and you into heaven just as we are, then what is JIA going to say to Jesus? "Wait! You said they have to go to hell!"It is difficult struggle. Ignorance is the true enemy.
I've always been on the side of the underdog. If I can't help him in this life time, then the next. As I have said before: He is the Buddha to me right (don't take it litterally).
People don't like unanswerable questions. They would rather have a wrong answer then none at all.
If sins are mistakes, then how can I learn and grow if someone else pays my way? The forgiveness of sin is one of the most devastating ideas that humans have ever come up with.
The origin of that idea is really interesting. I recommend the "The Life of the Cosmos" by Lee Smolin. He talks about how the idea of a perfect heaven and imperfect world got its start. I think you would enjoy it.
"If he really cares about other people, then he will walk in their shows and stop telling people they are going to hell. After all, if God chooses to let me and you into heaven just as we are, then what is JIA going to say to Jesus? "Wait! You said they have to go to hell!"
That makes no sense.
Me warning people about the reality of Hell is evidence that I care about them.
If I didn't care about people I would keep my mouth closed, and let them go to Hell by the droves.
So telling people what they need to do in order to be saved is an act of love and concern not the converse.
This might come as a shocker to you friend, but God is not a haphazard God.
He doesn't just pick and choose whom He wants to allow into Heaven arbitrarily.
This is one of the fallacies of human thought, rationalization, and seeing things from a natural perspective.
This is precisely what I was talking about in my post to Stealth Moose about the natural man (i.e. the person who is not born again), not receiving the things of the Spirit of God because they are foolishness to him/her.
Shakyamunison, unlike humanity God doesn't do things on a whim.
God is not capricious.
God operates according to law or principle.
God's method for people to enter Heaven is through the shed Blood (i.e. the sacrificial death) of His Son.
Lord Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Can you see that?
Lord Jesus said, "I am the Door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture."
Lord Jesus said that He is the Door.
No one can enter Heaven except by putting their faith in Lord Jesus--first.
There is no other Name under Heaven given among men whereby we must be saved.
God can't just arbitrarily decided to allow this person into Heaven, and not allow that person over there.
It does not work that way.
God is just.
God is righteous.
God is holy.
Let that sink into your hearing.
God is not like people who pick and choose who they show favor to, or who they are nice to.
God is no respecter of persons.
God doesn't care who you are, if you put your faith in Jesus Christ, confessing Him as your Lord, and you believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead you will be saved.
Now, you must turn away from your sins as part and parcel of your confession of faith to show that you are truly repentant, and in keeping with what you say you believe.
God is not mocked. For whatever a person sows that shall he/she reap.
Whoever you belong to--God's holy angels, or the devil's angels--that's who will come for you when you die to take you to where your life's decision has chosen.
It's amazing to me how simple this is yet many people miss this important truth.
People think that they can just do whatever they want, live like the devil, do drugs, smoke marijuana, get drunk, lie, steal, cheat, break God's laws, live how they see fit--because, after all, "I have to be happy, so I'm going to do whatever makes me happy".
Theses same people sleep around, shack up, commit all kinds of sins, then expect to show up on God's doorstep with their bags ready to enter Heaven.
What do these people really expect God to say to them?
You don't know God.
You never took the time to get to know Him by faith in His Son Jesus Christ.
You have broken every last one of His laws.
Now that your life has ended you think God is going to let you into Heaven?
It does not work that way.
You can't just do your own thing in this life, never giving God the time of day, never taking the time to put your faith in His Son so that you can become part of the family of God, then get to the end of your life and think God will just let you come traipsing into is holy, righteous, home after you have ignored Him, His Son Lord Jesus, and His Holy Spirit, and lived like the devil.
God is going to tell you without reservation, "Who are you?"
Actually, God isn't going to say anything to you at all because you cannot get to Him without going through His Son.
Lord Jesus is going to say to many in that day, "I never knew you. Depart from Me you who practice lawlessness."
Stop and think about this.
Heaven is God's home.
Do you let strangers live in your home?
Heaven is prepared for those who love God.
Heaven is a place where righteousness dwells.
If you despise righteousness now in this life what makes you think that you are going to enjoy it all of a sudden there?
What if a stranger knocked on your door. You open up and he/she says, "Hi, I'm so and so, you don't know me (i.e. we have never met, we have no relationship of any kind, I am not a family member, we have nothing in common), but I want to know if I can come into your home and live with you forever".
What would run through your mind at that very moment?
You would probably look at that person and say, "Who are you?"
The person replies, "I'm so and so, and I want to move in with you. I'm a good person compared to most people."
You would look at this person like they were from another planet because it's not about how good he/she is--you don't know him/her.
It has nothing to do with being good, You don't know who they are, so they are not getting in your home.
Folks, if you've never given your heart and life to Lord Jesus you are not in the family of God, and Heaven is not your home.
JIA, we understand what you're trying to say. When you first posted here, this forum said, "Thanks, but no thanks. We know what we're doing, we understand what you're saying. We're just not interested in hearing it again and again and again." Rather than respond that way to every other post, we become instantly negative when you try to use what you see as different angles to tell us THE SAME THING over and over again, with links and video and your blue print AGAIN and AGAIN.
And so now some people are trying to do what you did - they're trying to do to you what you insist on doing to us - presenting their own beliefs and thinking that maybe you might look THEM over and MAYBE have an open mind, or at least not a critical one.
But again and again, you insult others' beliefs by saying "Sorry, that's not right, so here, let me tell you AGAIN about how you're going to suffer according to my faith.
It's not constructive, and it's not helping ANYONE. In no way is this you being caring. Maybe you could have made that claim in the beginning, but not after years of posting the same thing. Again. and Again. and Again.
I know you won't read this with any kind of an open mind. You've proved you don't have one over many years. Try thinking before you post. You may actually add something meaningful to a discussion.
But yeah.... not gonna happen.