Originally posted by janus77
I wonder why Marvel let Captain Marvel die of cancer, when Surfer could simply cure him with a wave of his hand.
Been awhile, but from what I remember, one of the reasons they were having trouble in general was because the q bands protective powers were blocking their attempts to use exotic energies, but they were also the only thing keeping him alive. Remove the bands for a pc cure, and he'd probably drop dead as soon as they came off.
Originally posted by Sundipped
Submit the title of your choice good sir:"With the power cosmic, Galactus created
a low end cosmichis peer in FP Tyrant"
Originally posted by Epicurus
Anyways, has anyone considered the possibility of these two power sources being tied together thanks to the Galactus-Seed/World-Heart storyline which Fraction introduced and Hickman elaborated upon a year or 2 back?
lol
i suggested that idea on the forum a lonngggg time back--years ago. it would be very cool if ultimately it was proven to be true.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You were comparing Heralds like Surfer so why does the scope of power need to be any higher? Attuma showed us in his fight against Surfer that it really doesn't have to be. Odin waved his hands and enchanted the weapons with enough magic to whoop the Worthy. He also waved his hand and turned the weapons of the Worthy into paperweights.I don't remember enough of the Abraxas saga to comment. What was their relationship again and how was it unique from the other alternate Galactus'?
Then that makes him even less relevant as a comparison, not more. 😐
Thor's ambition to gain more power culminated with Mjolnir for most of his life time. He doesn't seek more power to rival his father like Tyrant did with Galactus. Nor does Thor possess the ability to utilize the Odin Force directly in the same way Tyrant can the Power Cosmic from what I understand. A more accurate example would be Odin transferring the Odin Force into Thor to battle Surtur while drawing some energy from Asgard to battle Seth.
I'm curious how Asgardian magic fits into this since it's apparently a thing. For example, Surtur is an elemental entity of Asgardian magic. An interesting element to explore.
Because the herald scope of power is a direct reference to Galactus' Power Cosmic that he imbues to others. The very name of the tier "herald" that we use on KMC is derived from the 2 to 5 second zap that Galactus gives to mortal men to transform them into beings much more powerful than your high end, non-omega level mutant/high end metahuman. Odin creating weapons with a wave of his hand to arm the likes of Wolverine and Hawkeye to fight the worthy...the Worthy were defeated when odin reclaimed their enchanted Asgardian weapons. That's like saying Morg (whom Galactus created with a wave of his hand) can defeat the Silver Surfer (whom Galactus created with a wave of his hand). The feats belong to Morg/Wolverine/Hawkeye, but to the originators of the power, in this case Galactus and Odin, it's not really a feat. It's them manipulating their own power bases (taking it from others, giving it to others), *all in the same scope*.
Abraxas is the embodiment of the concept of destruction in the MU. Galactus permanently dedicates an undisclosed amount of his personal power to keeping Abraxas restrained from enacting his role. Only 616 Galactus does this..if an alternate Galactus dies, Abraxas is not released. Odin can power the 9 Realms (which I'd argue are pocket universes...not full on universes) and all its inhabitants, but Galactus restrains an entity that can destroy the Eternity (not his m-body, not one of his "local" representations, but Eternity himself, AKA Multi-Eternity), who by definition, includes all the 9 Realms in his person along with the rest of the marvel multiverse. So again, I disagree with the statement that Odin's resources are more tied up. The Power Cosmic can be recharged at a very localized level by absorbing ambient cosmic energy...the higher up you go, the more energy needs to be absorbed. Thus all Surfer needs to do is hang out in space for a little bit to feel stronger, while Galactus needs to consume an entire planet or even a star to recharge and he needs to do that on a monthly basis. The Odin Force can also be recharged. The Odinsleep.
I wasn't making the comparison of Thor's and Tyrant's will but their origins. Thor is a singular unique being in the asgardian pantheon in that he is Odin's son. Now I don't know if Odin can simply wave his hand and make another Thor if Thor himself dies, but it goes without saying that Galactus can wave his hand and replace any herald who dies with a new one 5 seconds later. The same can't be said for Tyrant. Basically i'm arguing off the logic of who is "irreplaceable." From that standpoint, I equate the analogy of Tyrant is to Galactus as Thor is to Odin. In terms of will, goals and the like, no. But in terms of origin..yes. Even when Galactus went to confront Odin for the Seed, he literally waved his hand and created those ridiculous "space demons" to handle the rank and file asgardians.
Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
Because the herald scope of power is a direct reference to Galactus' Power Cosmic that he imbues to others. The very name of the tier "herald" that we use on KMC is derived from the 2 to 5 second zap that Galactus gives to mortal men to transform them into beings much more powerful than your high end, non-omega level mutant/high end metahuman. Odin creating weapons with a wave of his hand to arm the likes of Wolverine and Hawkeye to fight the worthy...the Worthy were defeated when odin reclaimed their enchanted Asgardian weapons. That's like saying Morg (whom Galactus created with a wave of his hand) can defeat the Silver Surfer (whom Galactus created with a wave of his hand). The feats belong to Morg/Wolverine/Hawkeye, but to the originators of the power, in this case Galactus and Odin, it's not really a feat. It's them manipulating their own power bases (taking it from others, giving it to others), *all in the same scope*.Abraxas is the embodiment of the concept of destruction in the MU. Galactus permanently dedicates an undisclosed amount of his personal power to keeping Abraxas restrained from enacting his role. Only 616 Galactus does this..if an alternate Galactus dies, Abraxas is not released. Odin can power the 9 Realms (which I'd argue are pocket universes...not full on universes) and all its inhabitants, but Galactus restrains an entity that can destroy the Eternity (not his m-body, not one of his "local" representations, but Eternity himself, AKA Multi-Eternity), who by definition, includes all the 9 Realms in his person along with the rest of the marvel multiverse. So again, I disagree with the statement that Odin's resources are more tied up. The Power Cosmic can be recharged at a very localized level by absorbing ambient cosmic energy...the higher up you go, the more energy needs to be absorbed. Thus all Surfer needs to do is hang out in space for a little bit to feel stronger, while Galactus needs to consume an entire planet or even a star to recharge and he needs to do that on a monthly basis. The Odin Force can also be recharged. The Odinsleep.
I wasn't making the comparison of Thor's and Tyrant's will but their origins. Thor is a singular unique being in the asgardian pantheon in that he is Odin's son. Now I don't know if Odin can simply wave his hand and make another Thor if Thor himself dies, but it goes without saying that Galactus can wave his hand and replace any herald who dies with a new one 5 seconds later. The same can't be said for Tyrant. Basically i'm arguing off the logic of who is "irreplaceable." From that standpoint, I equate the analogy of Tyrant is to Galactus as Thor is to Odin. In terms of will, goals and the like, no. But in terms of origin..yes. Even when Galactus went to confront Odin for the Seed, he literally waved his hand and created those ridiculous "space demons" to handle the rank and file asgardians.
Odin pretty much can make another "Thor"
examples
BRB
Red Norrvel
Thunderstrike
etc...
All equal to Thor in power
Originally posted by zopzop
Marz didn't really get into it, but under Lackey's (God help us) pen, Galactus created Tyrant to be sort of his opposite to balance each other out. Tyrant draws power from the biospheres of every planet in the universe, Galactus devours planets to survive.
Yeah but Big G is above FP Tyrant due to Tyrant losing in a direct confrontation. Galactus=high end cosmic, FP Tyrant= low to mid cosmic.
Some writer needs to snatch Tyrant out of the realm of nullification and bring him back.
Originally posted by DarkOdin
Odin pretty much can make another "Thor"examples
BRB
Red Norrvel
Thunderstrikeetc...
All equal to Thor in power
Thor has some of his mother's mojo, which empowers him to some level or other (Chaos Wars, the prayer/spark amp thing).
And none of the guys listed are on the same level as Thor. Unless you believe Thor would be trounced as easily as BRB was by Surfer (when Surfer is less charitable than usual).
Originally posted by Sundipped
Yeah but Big G is above FP Tyrant due to Tyrant losing in a direct confrontation. Galactus=high end cosmic, FP Tyrant= low to mid cosmic.Some writer needs to snatch Tyrant out of the realm of nullification and bring him back.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Why? Tyrant was such a horrible character that even Ron Marz, his creator refused to bring him back.
I like the back story and I believe he can be expanded upon in the bio-organic and technopath areas he claimed to have mastery of. He's a being who's skyfather level with the potential to be borderline abstract. Ron doesn't have to be the one to work him.